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Invalid name[edit]

How do you people treat nomenclaturally invalid (unavailable, in ICZN parlance) names?

I've run into a couple isonyms (multiple publication of a nomenclaturally identical name, usually based on a common basionym) recently, and personally I prefer removing them as they seem to me to only generate confusion (the ICBN literally says to treat them as the same name, pretty much like a correctable error). Circeus (talk) 16:49, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Speaking only for zoological entities, ie ICZN code and hence unavailable names, these should be ignored as under the ICZN code they do not exist and are not actually names for the purpose of nomenclature. They should never be used. In rare cases where they have been used as valid names for considerable time I can see reasons to list them on the relevant species page in the synonymy, with explanation and refs. But usually not and they should not ever have a mainspace page. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 04:23, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Speaking mainly for botany, I have to agree with Scott - they should never have their own taxon page, as this will give them unwarranted legitimacy and is confusing. Personally when I encounter the equivalent in plants I redirect and remove from appropriate associated lists, if required. OK they may appear on the accepted taxon page as [[nom. illeg.]] or similar tag. Likewise for comb. ined. and nom. ined. IMHO, although there could be a case for these appearing in a list on a taxon page, but retained as red links with a note of explanation, as this may be temporary. References are essential, of course. I appreciate that for zoology an invalid name is unavailable and so the rules are stricter. Best regards. Andyboorman (talk) 07:57, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Really I meant more with regards to synonym lists. Circeus (talk) 01:19, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Not always entirely related to the above, but occasionally some of the templates in Category:Name status templates can be useful. An overview showing how some of them are rendered can be seen in Category:Pictograms. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 01:22, 17 September 2018 (UTC).
Yes, Tommy, for zoology I use {{invalid}} for invalid species, {{Invalid genus}} for invalid genus and {{Invalid taxon}} for other ranks. But botany's "invalid" differs from zoology's "invalid". In botany it's a name that doesn't meet the requirements in the International Code of Nomenclature for algae, fungi, and plants for valid publication, while in zoology it's an incorrect zoological name of a taxon i.e. a synonym, nomen nudum etc. Likewise a new template may be created, for example {{Invalid botanical name}} to serve Circeus' purposes. Mariusm (talk) 09:27, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support template suggested by @Mariusm: Dan Koehl (talk) 10:09, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
I am not happy with this. In my opinion, there should not be created separate taxon pages for names, which better have to be included in the synonymy of an accepted taxon under its correct name. So, as far as I see, there is no real need for templates, which are only used to mark taxon pages, which actually should not even exist. If zoologists in WS are happy with creating taxon pages for invalid nominal taxa, so I will have to accept this, but I hope, this will never be common usage in botany. --Franz Xaver (talk) 20:50, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Is anybody happy with pages like Anthus longicaudatus? OK, A. longicaudatus seems to be a synonym now, but the WS taxon page does not give any information on this. A simple redirect to Anthus vaalensis certainly would better serve the needs of our users. --Franz Xaver (talk) 21:00, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
I am not in agreement with the creation of pages for invalid (zoology) names. They can go in synonymy. I have no issue with them being made for the purposes of a redirect if they had been extensively used. But certainly not all of them. As to the example just above, yes make it a redirect if its now a synonym. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 21:07, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I too agree with Franz Xaver and Scott Thomson here. In my opinion a simple redirect is better than creating thousands upon thousands of complete taxon pages for taxon names in synonymy. In the mean time (i.e. until we've reached a formal decision) I've changed the name status template on the Anthus longicaudatus page.Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 03:57, 18 September 2018 (UTC).

I categorically disagree with the trend to dismiss invalid-name-pages and to be satisfied merely with redirects. This isn't what most of the directories and the catalogs out there are doing. (Botanists: see for example this page at the GRIN site - this is a dedicated separate page for a synonym). We're loosing too much valuable information this way. See for example the invalid-name-page Zyras alboterminalis. This information is too voluminous and too complicated to be incorporated in the valid-name page, and more so if there are not one but 10 such synonyms. I can't see a better way to display this relevant information other than in creating a dedicated page. I'm not proposing to make this sort of invalid-page-creating a mandatory practice, yet I strongly recommend to use this in cases where the information is asking for a better display paradigm. By the way, we have by now nearly 3.500 pages of invalid-names. This is a very important asset which makes WS more valuable and more useful. Mariusm (talk) 09:25, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
I fully agree with Tommy Kronkvist, Franz Xaver, Scott Thomson and any others who do not see the need to create separate taxon pages for names accepted as part of a synonymy. The GRIN example above is a sideshow as most of the cited page appears on this page, where it belongs. It editors want to create these pages OK, but they might find a redirect created unless there is a very good reason for not doing so. The three combinations in Zyras could be accommodated on a single page, but I am no expert. The uniqueness is in holotype and type locality is this a justification for rewriting the basic premise of WS? In botany I have yet to find a good reason for not creating a redirect unless there is a dispute. Andyboorman (talk) 13:39, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Just to clarify things up: What I'm speaking about above are heterotypic synonyms and not homotypic synonyms which don't need separate pages but only redirects. Mariusm (talk) 13:55, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
It is no big problem to include all the relevant information also for several heterotypic synonyms in one taxon page – see e.g. Chaetolepis anisandra or Cespedesia spathulata. --Franz Xaver (talk) 20:31, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Well, Franz, if you consider the user's ease of use and the sources accessibility, particularly when you have at your disposal even more information to display such as mentions-references and synonym-authority-references, you can't beat the clarity and the convenience of a dedicated synonym page, expressly when the work involved in creating such a page does't exceed the one done on your combined taxon page. You can't also deny the fact that Cespedesia spathulata looks ratherish overcrammed. Mariusm (talk) 09:24, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
I dunno, I think it's no less "overcrammed" than any random scientific material that would present the same information (although duplicating the publication places seems overdoing it, I prefer the zoological tradition, since I always track down the full reference anyway). Besides, Wikispecies can afford to use a more aired out format, since space isn't an issue, see e.g. Solanum americanum for an example with a lot more synonyms than C. spathulata. Circeus (talk) 11:24, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Circeus, thanks for your example of Solanum americanum. It illustrates just fine why my proposal is better than the current practice; I'll explain why: suppose a user searches for Solanum indecorum which is one of the heterotypic synonyms of your Solanum americanum and suppose he's redirected to this page (although you didn't redirect Solanum indecorum). Now this user faces the following drudgery to perform: (a) realize he was redirected to another species-name; (b) realize Solanum indecorum is a synonym; (c) search among the mass of information the relevant section he needs; (d) search among the mass of information for the relevant references; (e) try to form a coherent picture in his mind of what Solanum indecorum really is. On the other hand, if this user is directed to a dedicates page, where all the relevant information is grouped together, where he clearly can see it is a synonym of what; then I think he would get a far better, clear, scientific service out of WS. Mariusm (talk) 09:07, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Still have to disagree with Mariusm. Firstly, subsequent to a search finding the accepted page using a single click is what I would require. Secondly, finding the information supporting the synonymy on the same click is very convenient. Having to trawl through several pages to get this information is not just inconvenient, it is drudgery, very annoying and could be confusing. The information belongs to the taxon page associated with the accepted name, I just do not see a problem with this. Taxonomy can be complex, but to get it on a single printout at the end of one click is what I requires as a botanist and scientist. It is the KISS principle in operation. Andyboorman (talk) 12:12, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
In my experience, a typical database with separate synonyms is no less confusing that one that is strictly limited to accepted name. If anything, the severe lack of consistency across wikispecies is more of a problem than anything having to do with the amount of data (of which anyone who has ever dealt with taxonomical data should be used to, really.) on any given page. Wikispecies is not specifically aimed for the general public. If it were, it would not have been spun into its own separate project to begin with. Circeus (talk) 14:53, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Yes the inconsistency is a problem. However, it was always my assumption that pages on WS were for accepted taxa, if there are nearly 3,500 pages of separate invalid taxon pages, then that is a problem caused by contributors operating outside of consensus. OK, consensus can be changed but that will affect many more taxon pages and create much additional work. Hence this discussion and clearly there are differences of strongly held opinion. Bear in mind, Marsdenia macrophylla has 6 heterotypic synonyms yet to be created. There are over 130 species of this genus, so that is potentially several hundred invalid pages instead of the 130 or so, once somebody gets to reviewing the genus in order to produce to sort of exemplar pages created in Solanum above. Wait until you get to Astragalus! Andyboorman (talk) 15:48, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
And this sort of practicality is why I agree with you. I'm well aware how big some genera get (Solanum is amongst the largest too). When you get past a certain number of species, though (I believe Solanum is estimated around 1,500), the change in scale is really not that much, because it's still just a plain ginormous amount of data so doubling it... just makes it still ginormous. Circeus (talk) 16:57, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

I deal with names all the time and for different reasons. I do so as a taxonomist and paleontologist, but I am also very heavily involved in conservation. That is an end user of names. So we really have two groups, producers of names and end users. The producers of names have an intricate need for all this data on each and every name, others with historical or just plain interest in it may too. The other group is the end user and I would include the general public in this. In may paper on this topic we mention the distinction between the producers, taxonomists, and the end users, everyone else. The end users want to know what to call something, that is all. By presenting all this information on one page as a synonymy we meet the needs of both, keeping it easy for those that want a name, and presenting the information for those that wish to take it further.

Paper is above, Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 19:48, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Please look at how Eschmeyer et. al. handle it in the Catalog of Fishes. Note the ICZN is not always "right" and some authors of some note will not follow changes they make made without argument. CoF handles this non-problem with invalid names nicely. RS79 — The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 00:39, 28 September 2018‎ (UTC)

HOT HET etc.[edit]

Why have these templates suddenly acquired silly looking brackets? Is there a purpose for these accoutrements? Are they wanted by the community? Are there other examples? Am I the only one to find them pointless? Here is an example. Incidentally, there are other ways of creating the tags and this changes will not affect these, so we will end up with more inconsistency, once again. I do wish editors would not make such far reaching changes without first taking them here and explaining their reasons and seek consensus. Regards. Andyboorman (talk) 07:02, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

@Andyboorman:, is it possible they started to appear with this edit ({{int:Homotypic}}) by @Rosičák:? Dan Koehl (talk) 08:39, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
That is the problem, for some reason the int has added the spurious brackets, so edit was well meaning but caused an error. I will revert. Andyboorman (talk) 08:42, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
These brackets appear, if int: is used for words, that are not yet included in the Wikispecies:Localization table. --Thiotrix (talk) 09:38, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Ok, příště budu postupovat obráceně, nejdříve vytvořím šablony./
Ok, next time I'll go backwards, I'll first create templates.
--Rosičák (talk) 13:57, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

@Andyboorman: I've created the two necessary MediaWiki pages for both "Heterotypic" and "Homotypic" and thereafter added the words to the Wikispecies:Localization table(diff.) so those lemmas should now work together with the int: localization magic word. Are there any other synonymy related "…typic" words that needs to be listed, for example any other templates like {{HET}} and {{HOT}}? I never use any of those synonymy templates myself, so I need to ask... :-) Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 18:13, 25 September 2018 (UTC).

@Tommy Kronkvist: The only other one I can think of is {{moty}} for monotypic. A perennial problem is the cluster {{TS}}, {{TG}} and {{tysp}} - mind you I have been editing these out because I have been told they cause wider problems. Thanks Andyboorman (talk) 18:27, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
@Andyboorman: I've added the "Monotypic", "Type genus", "Type species" and "Typus" phrases to the list. I agree that all of the templates you mention should be used as sparsely as possible, and I too normally replace them with plain text and non-templated wiki code. However in this particular case (i.e. the "silly looking brackets inconsistency") it's not really a question of erroneous templates, but the much more straight-forward task of auto-translating words. That function is taken care of by the servers and is more or less bug-free, but first the (English) words needs to be manually added to the Wikispecies:Localization table for it to work. Otherwise those weird and yes very ⧼quirky⧽ looking brackets show up. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk)‚ 18:57, 25 September 2018 (UTC).
The template REP for "replaced synonym" should be translated, too. --Thiotrix (talk) 11:55, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Scaptodrosophila n. sp. nr fumida[edit]

Do your have any idea what this article is about? Created by User:Stho002. --Succu (talk) 21:34, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Is it Scaptodrosophila fumida? --Succu (talk) 21:36, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Strange, Scaptodrosophila fumida was created 2009-12-08, before Scaptodrosophila n. sp. nr fumida, which was created 2010-12-06... Dan Koehl (talk) 06:39, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
"n. sp. nr xxx" is not a formal taxonomic designation, just an informal semi-descriptive name for a presently unnamed taxon, so as such I would have thought an article of this type does not belong on Wikispecies at this time. Regards Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 07:04, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
"sp. nov. nr." or "n. sp. nr." means "species near" a certain other known species. It indicates that the specimen is near yet it isn't identical to another known species. This implies that the specimen may consist a new species. Since WS doesn't handle such "probable" species, this page doesn't belong here and I deleted it. Mariusm (talk) 09:19, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Thx. --Succu (talk) 18:54, 26 September 2018 (UTC)


Hello, A massive edit on the page Aves was pretty dramatic, and I would kindly like to ask the community what you think, and if such a change is supported by discussions, consensus, or likewise? I haven't looked into the actual details, just noticed it was a large change, and wanted to bring this to your attention. Dan Koehl (talk) 16:31, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Not an avian expert, but it would have been better if the editor has provided references rather than just a message and a promise. How consensual are the recently added taxa? Andyboorman (talk) 17:46, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty to revert. As far as I can tell, there is no "recent classification" of any sort that comes close to accepting any of the groups being restored there. There will be a need for a VERY good sources for those changes to be implemented, and maybe having a few people from's WikiProject Birds to come over and keep an eye on that page would be a good idea. Circeus (talk) 21:27, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Both Dan Koehl and myself made a note about this matter on the user's talk page several hours prior to Dan bringing up the issue here, so in any case the user has been properly noted. He is registered as @Linkoln7: and has made a total of three edits to Wikispecies: one to Aves(diff.) and two when creating Threskiornithiformes.(diff.)Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 00:12, 28 September 2018 (UTC).
Well, it looks we have a very outdated Aves page. Clements/EBird 2018 lists a total of 41 orders; IOC version 8.2 a total of 39, the only differences being Galbuliformes included by IOC in Piciformes and Cathartiformes included by IOC in Accipitriformes. WS page lists only 33 extant orders, but in reality 30, because Apodiformes and Trochiliformes are included by both IOC and Clements in Caprimulgiformes and Turniciformes included by both in Charadriiformes. The edition done goes beyond including new "elevated" orders, e.g. Steatornithiformes and Threskiornithiformes not yet listed by the two cited classifications. I don't know which classification the user was based on. So, what we do? If we follow IOC as stated, we should promote a massive edition not only at Aves page but al the subsequent families templates.--Hector Bottai (talk) 03:02, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
On time. Took a look at project. They are in line with Clements, except: Galbuliformes is not listed and Apodiformes is. Definitely, we are well behind.--Hector Bottai (talk) 03:19, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
I Agree that theres a need to update the article. Dan Koehl (talk) 08:26, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
By the way, when trying to add the references which I created today, related to the updated taxonomy of Aves, it is my perception that many of the two dozens of references there have nothing to do with the taxonomic history of Aves. Please take a look. I don't want to give any particular example.--Hector Bottai (talk) 14:54, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Bottai regarding references being added to pages where they are not really needed. Some users will add any reference containing "bird" or "Aves" to the Aves page, for example The collection and database of birds of Angola hosted at IICT. The page Aves and its references are in urgent need of revision. Mariusm (talk) 08:42, 29 September 2018 (UTC)


Looks like this genus was never described. Same with Snaurtitan bobicae and/or Snaursaurus bobicae. Should be probably deleted here an at Wikidata. Regards. --Succu (talk) 19:29, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Burmeister (talk) 19:32, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Snore-saurus, people? Puton. We must watch for these, from time to time. I frequently check strange-sounding names when I see them. Occasional ones are valid, but most are some type of joke. Neferkheperre (talk) 01:12, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
I've deleted the Snaursaurus page from Wikispecies and requested the deletion of its equivalent Wikidata item (Q47057215). Our page was created by an IP user who hasn't contributed with any more edits than this single page creation. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 03:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC).
Thx. --Succu (talk) 15:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Requests for Comment: Interface administrators[edit]

It seems the discussion at Wikispecies:Requests_for_Comment regarding the new user right Interface administrator never resulted in a clear direction in regard to some sort of community consensus and similar. While this discussion may be actualized, I boldly created the page Wikispecies:Interface administrators, a user box, and would like to suggest that we elect at least one Interface admin. Please have a look at the discussion at Wikispecies:Requests_for_Comment and consider take a part in the discussions. See also metapage about this topic. Dan Koehl (talk) 11:02, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Undescribed species[edit]

Are undescribed species within the scope of Wikispecies? I found:

BTW: en:Undescribed taxon. --Succu (talk) 19:40, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Personally I would say no: since they're not part of the taxonomy and doesn't have a formal place within the nomenclature, they're not (yet) within the scope of Wikispecies. They might as well be treated as Superimperium incertae sedis 🙄. I guess we could create some sort of "waiting list" page or category for them, but as far as I can see they have no value from a taxonomical viewpoint. When deleting pages from Wikispecies one of the options in the delete-dropdown menu reads "Incorrectly named or no such taxon", and there is a good reason for that. Better let Wikipedia handle those "taxa", if at all.
Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 20:15, 2 October 2018 (UTC).
I agree, although in some areas (Australian botanists are quite fond of them too) they can be common and indeed a species may be referred to by such a name for decades (as Solanum ossicruentum and Solanum watneyi were). Circeus (talk) 00:23, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Same applies to comb. ined. there are a number of these as genera get re-organised with just a few species missed out of the new circumscription. Andyboorman (talk) 06:46, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Comb. ineditum are a different issue IMO. It's easier to just note on the species page that it's confirmed as belonging to a different genus and that the combination is not yet publiahed. At least, they have a published name of some sort that can be used, even if it's not phylogenetically (and sometimes nomenclaturally) correct at the time. Circeus (talk) 07:07, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
These three undescribed species were mentioned in this paper published in 2002 and they were not described ever since. The genus Delos officially contains only 4 species. The 3 undescribed species are not within WS scope, which includes only "official" described species, hence I deleted them. Mariusm (talk) 08:40, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
The problem with a comb. ined. is that under ICBN Art 49-50 the name does not exist, as it is not been validly or effectively published. They sit in a sort of holding area or no man's land awaiting analysis and confirmation. In WS they still are "Incorrectly named or no such taxon". In addition, these names really belong under the "old" genus not the "new" one. For example, Epilobium bondarenkoi (Tzvel.) comb. ined. is still Chamaenerion bondarenkoi Tzvel. Novosti Sist. Vyssh. Rast. 45: 49. (2014). Comb. ined. can not have their own taxon page unless there is a shift in WS policy - IMO, so there is similarity with Delos above. Andyboorman (talk) 12:27, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
The problem with creating pages for undescribed species is highlighted by the point @Mariusm: made. They were defined as species in 2002 and are still not described. These are beyond our scope I believe and its safer to ignore them, if and when they are described we can add them. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 02:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, Scott. The specific Delos names above are very good examples. Not only are they still not described: they have hardly even been mentioned in any other paper than the original 2002 one. Case closed, I guess. Tommy Kronkvist (talk),04:07, 4 October 2018 (UTC).

Synonym drop down box[edit]

Hello. This synonymy format has come back into the frame. See here for an example Tripleurospermum_parviflorum. I am sure we discussed it before and decided that it was not a good idea, maybe I am wrong? I can see a number of disadvantages, the main one, IMHO, being that taxonomically it gives an undue prominence to the synonyms with its atypical format. However, I can see that where there is a long list then this compacts it somewhat. By the way the Redirect Tool does not work with this format - a major problem as far as I am concerned. Open for discussion. Best regards Andyboorman (talk) 19:59, 4 October 2018 (UTC) Apologies - here is the template {{SN}} Andyboorman (talk) 20:23, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Synonymy and Nomenclature drop down boxes have been basically rejected, although I am sure some are still found on taxon pages. Likewise, {{Spage}} is no longer advised. Neferkheperre (talk) 19:31, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Quiscalus purpureus[edit]

What is the modern name for Quiscalus purpureus? (See c:Category:Quiscalus purpureus.) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:22, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Quiscalus purpureus is a synonym of Quiscalus quiscula. For more information see Oberholser (1919) JSTOR. Burmeister (talk) 12:34, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
I have made a synonym taxon redirect for the commons category. --Thiotrix (talk) 13:07, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

A tool when you need to type something very often[edit]

For those who never used programs like AutoHotkey, and often have to type and repeat words or sentences over and over again, I just want to bring your attention to a small nice program called AutoHotkey (available to download at Description: Define hotkeys for the mouse and keyboard, remap keys or buttons and ... It unites hotkey and text macros and offers a scripting language = Imagine you just press Ctrl+R instead of typing text and inserting templates etc. It saves a lot of time and frustration and makes everything faster. Remember, if you use templates, that instead of using the Send, you must use the SendRaw. Dan Koehl (talk) 20:43, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

I use that a lot in my editing, and elsewhere, and wrote a blog post explaining how I set it up. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:58, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Richard Crawshay[edit]

Is our Richard Crawshay, botanist mycologist, the Captain Richard Crawshay who authored 'The birds of Tierra del Fuego' (London, 1907)? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:55, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

I can't find anything online to confirm. TL-2 gives the following sources for bio informations (also cites some manuscript materials at Kew and Smithsonian):
  • John Hendley Barnhart (1965) Biographical notes upon Botanists. 1:394.
  • Linday & Sydow. Thesaurus litteraturae mycologicae et lichenologicae. Supplement:5822.
  • Harold Fletcher (1965) The story of the Royal Horticultural Society, 1804-1968:205
Circeus (talk) 21:26, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
From The Eponym Dictionary of Birds [1], it seems that at least the years of birth and death (1862–1958) are the same for the hunter and collector Captain Richard Crawshay as for the mycologist in IPNI. He collected birds and insects for the British Museum. For the mycologist, there are no plant names in IPNI authored by him. Index Fungorum lists just one fungus species, Mycobank lists three names with his authorship, all from 1930. --Thiotrix (talk) 07:30, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Interesting, thank you. Do IPNI, or any other source, or any of the non-bird species he documented, link him to Tierra del Fuego, or elsewhere in South America? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:22, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

I have just found:

Crawshay, Richard (f1 1901/2). He was a military Captain during the Anglo-Boer war and spent ten months in 1901/2 purchasing Basotho ponies in the lowlands of Lesotho as remounts for the British army. It is likely that he is the same Richard Crawshay who was a magistrate in Nyasaland in 1894, and who before that collected butterflies around Lake Mweru, Zambia between June 1892 and January 1893.

Publication: Author of Basutoland and the Basutos. Geographical Journal 21(6):645.655, 1903.

Collections: During his time in Lesotho, he climbed Machache, one of the highest mountains in Lesotho, where he collected a many-spotted snake, one of the only two records of this snake for Lesotho. There are also ants in the Iziko South African Museum, Cape Town, collected by him at Mafeten & Lesotho in 1902. Crawshay, the magistrate, sent a collection of Nyasa butterflies, via Sclater (q.v.), to the British Museum in 1894. Five of these were new species and described by A.G. Butler in Proceedings of the Zoological Society of London in 1895.

Sources: Ambrose, David. 2008; lziko South African Museum, Cape Town database; .

in 'A Biographical Dictionary of Contributors to the Natural History of the Free State and Lesotho', Rodney Moffett (2008). Sadly the URL dos not resolve. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:38, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

See here. Epon. Dict. Mamm. (Beolens & al, 2009:89-90) again focuses on his time in Africa (he collected an important type specimen of zebra), Gilllet (Kew Bull., 13(3):369. 1958) and Smith (J. Moll. Stud., 6(6):333. 1965) discuss him for African plants and Fuegoan molluscs, respectively. The Narrow Edge (Cramer, 2015:11) only has the briefest of mention (his stay in Tierra del Fuego was in 1904). Even the British Museum doesn't seem to know whether the mycologist and the Tierra del Fuego explorer (letters with summary are accessible) are the same! At least this confirms Crawshay definitely collected plants. More letters here, with full transcriptions.
I think Fletcher's book is the only way we can might possibly (no guarantee) bridge the period between 1907/1910 (return from Tierra and writing of his book) and 1930. Circeus (talk) 14:01, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
An intriguing puzzle,. I've read all the transcribed letters on the RCVS site, and there are no clues there. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:54, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

This paper shows one Crawshay having an interest in fish, plants, molluscs, and rocks, and even a glass arrow, from Tierra del Fuego; while this report has him donating TdF bird skins to Norwich Castle Museum. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:02, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

I suppose the next question is: does anyone have access to a copy of (mycologist) Crawshay's The Spore Ornamentation of Russulas (Baillière, Tindall & Cox, 1930)? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:01, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't track down a copy of The Spore Ornamentation of Russulas, but I have found two reviews on the book 1 2. They suggest that this Crawshay spent a considerable amount of time examining spores under a microscope and developing techniques for staining and imaging. The preface of the book was written by French mycologist Frédéric Bataille, and some of his species descriptions are of specimens from France, suggesting he may have spent time there. Voganaa (talk) 08:35, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Table cell templates[edit]

I was muckign around Wanted pages and... do we actually have any use (or even use at all) those table cell templates? 'cause they are a huge set (sixty!) of templates seemingly without use outside their own documentation, and they are generating redlinks that pollute Special:WantedPages. Circeus (talk) 16:04, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

No use to me at all. Delete. Cheers. Andyboorman (talk) 17:11, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
I got all the pretties. And their little category too! Circeus (talk) 21:01, 11 October 2018 (UTC)


{{Ruedas et al., 2017}} includes " restoration of S. andinus (Thomas, 1897) and S. tapetillus (Thomas, 1897)". I have created pages on those species; please can someone check them? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Good start. If you have the whole paper available, might be worth adding type localities and repositories of type specimens for new taxa. Accassidy (talk) 10:11, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Compromised account[edit]

Just a heads-up that User:Koavf's account was compromised and granted admin rights to 3 users at another WMF wiki. I went through his edit history and action log and did not notice anything. But it's possible that the hacker used his Checkuser rights.

@Dan Koehl: and @Faendalimas:, as the remaining 2 CheckUsers on this wiki, please check the CheckUser log and ensure Koavf's account did not run any Checkuser actions over the past few days. CheckUser logs are not available for other admins/bureaucrats/users to view except by other CheckUsers.

For other admins and users, I know that feeling when my account was compromised and temporarily locked 3 years ago. But unlike this time, the hacker didn't do anything malice to my account and only posted a message saying that they managed to log into my account. It's a good time to make sure that your password is not shared with any other accounts to avoid being compromised. OhanaUnitedTalk page 22:28, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks fpr the headsup @OhanaUnited:, and I have noticed todays intensive debate on securing accounts, and will wait for further recommendations. On behalf of the account of @Koavf: a total of 5 CUs were made, 4 user names and 1 IP, just after noon, during apr 4 minutes, on 2018-10-20. No further CUs since then... Dan Koehl (talk) 22:51, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Ok, thank you for that info. That sounds like whoever gained his account ran 5 CheckUser requests. I'll notify the Ombudsman for the privacy breach. OhanaUnitedTalk page 23:35, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, 5 different CheckUser requests. Dan Koehl (talk) 23:38, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hm. Thanks all. Account has been reset. —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:19, 23 October 2018 (UTC)