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Native distribution areas[edit]

Since the "Native distribution areas" section is being added to lots of botanical species, I decided to start adding it also to my own zoology edits. At any rate, I think that the hidden format the botanists use, utilizing the template {{nadi}} is not adequate (see for example Vaccinium laurifolium). I'm using the more straightforward format (see for example Stenus cicindeloides).

I think that the "Native distribution areas" is indeed a very important piece of information and I wish we reach a consensus on the format we should employ. I wish to hear your comments on the best format to employ, eventually to be followed with a ballot. Mariusm (talk) 10:30, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Template {{nadi}} uses an accepted hierarchical format, rather than a straight forward list. To do away with nadi would result in numerous re-edits, probably a case of bolting the stable door, as it is now so well used in botanical pages. However, as a botanical database WS is more or less unique using this particular format. See these other examples
Modifying the {{nadi}} template will suffice to do away with the hidden mode. No need for "numerous re-edits". Mariusm (talk) 11:04, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
OK, the template {{nadi}} could easily be changed, but in some cases this would give rather bulky results, e.g. in Thespesia populnea. So I am content with it, this it is a collapsible box. Anyway, for wide-spread species I feel the need, that distribution data need to be given some structure. This here certainly is no good solution presenting distribution data. So, the existing TDGW scheme, which also is used by WCSP using different format, see e.g. Arum, and similarly by GRIN (e.g. [1], seems to be useful. However, it hardly can be used as a general way to present distribution data for animals, as it is not applicable to marine organisms. (Plants are mostly terrestrial. The few marine species are coastal.) Moreover, it also would not work very well for migratory species. So, probably for animals a different scheme needs to be developed. Which format to use, seems to be the least important problem. --Franz Xaver (talk) 11:10, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
On Cirripedia, I have been using Distribution:, using information based on original descriptions and reviewers/checklists. Unfortunately, many species are reported only from type localities. Neferkheperre (talk) 13:49, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Franz Xaver: The TDGW scheme is broadly used by botanists, so template:nadi is very useful for plant taxa. Additionally a map can be added, e.g. for Chenopodium spinescens. Animals or non-benthic marine organisms would need a different scheme to show their native distribution. --Thiotrix (talk) 13:58, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Another important consideration: the possibility of using [[China]] and [[Category: China]] for countries the same way we use [[DBSNU]] and [[Category:DBSNU]] for repositories. This way we can facilitate the production of lists of species per country. Mariusm (talk) 14:00, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Is there consensus to add this? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:23, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Do you mean "Native distribution areas" as a discrete section in the same way as Name or Synonym? Andyboorman (talk) 18:20, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Good question @Pigsonthewing: Soon we will be adding description, behaviour..etc. There are several qualifications for a native zoological species: breeding? vagrant? accidental? introduced? extint in the territory? Which would be the reliable and approved source for the information? Working only with neotropical birds, I find so many taxonomic outdates to work on...why adding new features when the basic is not yet well done. Not in favour, to me not a good idea.--Hector Bottai (talk) 18:41, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Distribution is different from description, diagnosis, material etc. It appears in the most terse species-catalogues and is one of the most important features of a species. Many papers are being written just to report a record of a certain species in a country where it wasn't seen before. The botanists here have decided long ago to incorporate it in WS without getting an approval from the community, so this became a de-facto section. I don't see a sweeping objection here to adding the distribution section but it would be appropriate to cast a vote on this. Mariusm (talk) 09:47, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Agree with a vote for zoological species given botanist have widely accepted. Good explanation @Mariusm:, thanks.--Hector Bottai (talk) 11:50, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

[undent] As to adding general distribution information, I am firmly against. No matter how you look at them, distributions are not taxonomical information. They do not belong on Wikispecies, period. I could buy maybe sorting for type location only, but that's not all that useful when for many older species, the original location is from cultivation. Circeus (talk) 23:47, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Of course, distribution is relevant for taxonomy. Certainly you know these theories of en:Allopatric speciation and en:Sympatric speciation. Moreover, species receive their ecological significance by the fact, that they occur somewhere. --Franz Xaver (talk) 00:22, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Agree with Franz. Distributions are useful, but not essential, to taxonomy and therefor can belong here. They can be part of the why in the same way as a reference. In conclusion, adding distributions is a case of desirable, but not essential data in the same way as VN and images. Just my opinion of course. Andyboorman (talk) 08:32, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
@Circeus: WS is defined as a "species guide" (see the Charter) or a "species directory" (see the main page). As such, the distribution is an integral, essential and important part of this directory. The ideal of "pure taxonomy" is an unattainable one. Mariusm (talk) 09:59, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Historical distributions[edit]

Are we talking about broadly accepting this? I forsee a potential problem in that some species have changed their distributions as a result of glaciation events or even extinction. Extinct species have no distribution at present. That is, are we talking about giving "present distribution" with a specific date, or will we be able to give information about native distributions for species now extinct? Even living species may have had enormous changes over time as a result of major climatic changes during the Pleistocene.

We need to consider not only the spatial aspect of distributions but the temporal aspect as well. The current model doesn't even come close to addressing that. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:10, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

The usual way for showing extinctions is the dagger symbol, as for example is practised by WCSP in the case of Betula nana in Italy. --Franz Xaver (talk) 20:08, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Of course. Surely no problems, except for the species/genera no longer extant in once accepted locations! Andyboorman (talk) 20:25, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
So, does that mean that fossil species have no distribution information? Surely knowing the distribution of fossil taxa is relevant? And how do we coordinate distributions where the taxon is there now but also known there as fossils? How do we indicate in which stratigraphic layers the fossils have been found? --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:20, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: For extant species the "distribution" is to include only living specimens. For extinct species, the distribution section is not applicable, "Type locality" subsection being adequate enough. Mariusm (talk) 09:33, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
That's where I disagree, and so do some of the comments above from others. If we can't determine a simple question such as applicability, then there is no way we'll be able to make use of this section. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:29, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Fossile are generally given both location and horizon, for the type, anything else is descriptive. Horizon is its stratigraphic position. Personally I am not keen on all this as it is a detraction of what we are about. However, as I said below I tentatively support this, but we need to get it to work. Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 19:48, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

List of native countries[edit]

Would be this example list at IUCN the model? Tachybaptus ruficollis Are we going to use "The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" or just "Macedonia" as an example of many others. Borders were created by man sometimes yesterday, species exists millions of years. Everybody knows about species showing in some country list just because a dead specimen was found decades ago in some beach, how we are going to lead with that. This have no sense. We are getting into a swamp.--Hector Bottai (talk) 00:57, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

@Hector Bottai: in the case of a widespread species, there's no sense in specifying each and every country of occurrence. It would be more sensible to specify for your example of Tachybaptus ruficollis: "Widespread across Europe, much of Asia down to New Guinea, and most of Africa". However this isn't the case with the majority of species which are restricted to a very specific area (with birds being an exception, I suppose); for example Tachybaptus pelzelnii is restricted only to Madagascar. Mariusm (talk) 09:26, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
For recording plant distributions, the International Working Group on Taxonomic Databases For Plant Sciences has made up a system of "botanical regions" and "botanical countries" (see en:World Geographical Scheme for Recording Plant Distributions), which are somewhat independent from actual political borders. Maybe zoologists have similar approaches for distributions of animals? --Thiotrix (talk) 10:58, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Depends on the group of species, largely animals are listed either with maps or with political distributions. For example it may say Brasil: Amazonas, ie country and state. In descriptions they only list the type locality specifically with a geo-coord the rest is done as descriptive distribution. I remember looking at the Botanical system once before it would be difficult to adapt it to animals. Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 19:45, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Poll[edit]

This is a preliminary poll, to gauge the acceptance of the "distribution" information among WS users. In case it is accepted, another poll will follow to determine the format of the information. Mariusm (talk) 16:52, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Do you support the inclusion of "Native distribution areas" section in WS?

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Mariusm (talk) 16:52, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Dan Koehl (talk) 17:33, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Andyboorman (talk) 19:21, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Franz Xaver (talk) 19:47, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support RLJ (talk) 19:51, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Thiotrix (talk) 21:10, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Neferkheperre (talk) 23:16, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Orchi (talk) 08:52, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose unless a sensible way to tackle historical distributions can be enacted. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:11, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose --Hector Bottai (talk) 23:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support -- tentative-- I support this in principal, however a good way needs to be formed for the how. I will also comment that distribution is not nomenclatural data as was stated earlier. However, I do feel it is useful information if presented well. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 03:05, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Outside the scope of Wikispecies, and better recorded in Wikipedia/ Wikidata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:49, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Circeus (talk) 20:55, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Frequently impossible to know, difficult to make language-agnostic, and contradicts the charter: this is information for an encyclopedia. I am not opposed to a language-neutral map. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:18, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Native distribution areas — poll results and options[edit]

The poll's results for adding a "Native distribution areas" section are:

  • 9 support.
  • 5 oppose.

Consequently, the distribution feature is accepted and can be incorporated (optional not mandatory) in any species page.

We still have to decide on the exact format to be employed in this section. Take into account that we have 17,193 pages which already incorporate the distribution section and that they all employ the {{nadi}} template format. However this template is used only with botanical species. I suggest the following parameters to be considered:

  1. A "==" section placed just before the references section or a "===" section following the synonym section.
  2. Hidden versus standard section. In the hidden option, used by the {{nadi}} template, an "Expend" button must be pressed to display the contents. Since most species have only a few distribution areas I see no benefit in this mode.
  3. Countries organized under regions, for example "Malesia" under the "Asia-Tropical" region (see the Vaccinium laurifolium page). This surely makes editing more difficult.
  4. Use linked countries and country-categories. For example [[China]] and [[Category: China]] the same way we use [[DBSNU]] and [[Category:DBSNU]] for repositories. This way we can facilitate the production of lists of species per country.
  5. When a species is widespread over large areas, it is preferred to generalize. For example "widespread in Europe and south east Asia" instead of specifying each and every country of occurrence.

I would like to have your comments on your desirable format. Mariusm (talk) 17:06, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Re #4: I think this will just be a disastrous headache with very little benefit, honestly. Plus, it's very difficult to make it language-agnostic (if we do decide to do this, we should use ISO country codes). —Justin (koavf)TCM 21:23, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
I cannot agree more with Justin. Don't matter the votation result, we are still on time to stop this, as you can see it was voted with no idea on how to do it. Please think about just a matter of priorities. One simple example: the very important family Anatidae, the popular ducks, is well behind other wikis taxonomically wise. Our main focus should be the leadership in taxonomic update, never the followers. And now, valuable editors will burn their brains trying to put a range on ducks that fly all over the word. Come on! --Hector Bottai (talk) 22:39, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
@Hector Bottai: Keep in mind that: (1) this section is optional and not mandatory (2) there are already more than 17,000 species-pages which include this section. Mariusm (talk) 09:52, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
@Mariusm: This is only 2,8% of today's total pages. If I remember our main target was getting to 1 million pages. We have so many red species links to worry on...why to disperse our focus, even being optional.--Hector Bottai (talk) 10:08, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Botany is simpler than zoology, as it uses a well accepted and easily translatable system. This has already been pointed out and botany is the main culprit for the existing usage. I agree about optionality, but it does seem to be the one of the concerns for those editors who tend to "improve" taxon pages along with VN, format, syntax and images. All in all I am happy for the current usage in botany to continue, as per the vote, rather than a blanket ban. The botanical horse has bolted has it not? Indeed it also does have relevance to the taxonomy of plants. Andyboorman (talk) 10:11, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
9 vs. 5 is hardly a measure of consensus; and you really shouldn't be closing a discussion which you yourself opened. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:09, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

redundant disambiguation pages and categories Template:Disambig and Template:Disambiguation[edit]

We currently have two different but redundant templates: Template:Disambig and Template:Disambiguation. The former has well over 1,000 incoming links, is connected to other similar templates through Wikidata, and automatically places entries in Category:Disambiguation pages while the later is used on less than 500 pages, and places pages in additional, and apparently redundant category trees: Category:All disambiguation pages and Category:All article disambiguation pages. I think {{Disambiguation}} should be merged into {{Disambig}}, although I am not certain if it's as easy as creating a redirect. And is there a reason to have three different disambiguation pages with little or no distinction? I think it would be useful to separate taxonomic disambiguation pages (e.g. Agarista) from authority pages (e.g. Smith), but the current category tree should be clarified before the mess gets any messier. Thoughts? -Animalparty (talk) 20:49, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

And for context, I note former discussions dating back years regarding disambiguation (e.g. here, here, and here). Seems like lots of discussion, little meaningful action. -Animalparty (talk) 20:59, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

@Animalparty: to give the correct numbers: {{Disambig}} has 5851 occurrences while {{Disambiguation}} has only 52 occurrences. I can replace {{Disambiguation}} with {{Disambig}} using AWB bot. Does anyone have any objections to this? Mariusm (talk) 10:11, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Go for it! Andyboorman (talk) 11:21, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
No objections here. I always use {{Disambig}}. Neferkheperre (talk) 13:24, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
The template we keep should, eventually, be named Template:Disambiguation, with Template:Disambig being a redirect to it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:47, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Why? What is the big deal about Template:Disambiguation? Andyboorman (talk) 20:50, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
"Disambiguation" is a word; "Disambig" is jargon. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:05, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
I agree that Template:Disambiguation should be the preferred name, with other variants as redirects to increase convenience for users. The equivalent template in English Wikipedia has redirects "Dab", "Disambig", "Disamb", among others. Rather than forcing users to memorize a plethora of arcane templates, we should be bending over backwards to make templates as user-friendly and intuitive as possible, if we ever expect more than a handful of users to contribute at any given time. Animalparty (talk) 22:00, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
...so, no more discussion, no action? Typical. Animalparty (talk) 17:42, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Systematikdagarna 2018 in Lund University, Sweden, November 26-27[edit]

Systematikdagarna is a yearly conference on systematic biology, arranged by the Swedish Systematists Association. The meeting is open for anyone interested in systematics; amateurs, working systematists, and users of systematics in any form. Read more Dan Koehl (talk) 08:54, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Category:Name taxa[edit]

Category:Name taxa does not exist, but has 80 entries which seem - from a small sample - to have all been added to it manually. Does anyone know what it is supposed to be for? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:04, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

All of them were added by @Abyssal: whom I hereby ping hoping for an answer. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 02:20, 26 November 2018 (UTC).
@Pigsonthewing:@Tommy Kronkvist: Oops. I started a personal initiative to make sure every plesiosaur had a listing here and was categorized by describer. Those were placeholder categories so I could just paste the name of the author over "Name". I completely forgot about this. I'll start polishing these up this week. I have a day or two's worth of work I want to do back on the 'Pedia and I'll get right back on this. Abyssal (talk) 02:33, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Thank you.Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 02:42, 26 November 2018 (UTC).

Most wanted author pages[edit]

The following are, at the time of writing, our "most wanted" (i.e. most inbound links to pages that do not yet exist) author pages:

If you can, please join me in working to create and populate them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:14, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for this, Andy. Great job on the basic maintenance here. —Justin (koavf)TCM 21:21, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Two more:

-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:12, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Hilda Flores Olvera[edit]

Are María Hilda Flores Olvera (d:Q21513245) and Hilda Flores Olvera (d:Q33687235) the same or different? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:37, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

The IPNI entry is faulty: According to Plant Names search, there is only one taxon described by an author with the standard form Olvera: Utricularia regia. If you check the respective paper, you will find the author to be Martha Olvera. Atriplex valdesii given as example for Olvera authorship, now is given as "Atriplex valdesii Flores Olv." So, two persons, both from Mexico and working with Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, are involved and only one of both is Hilda Flores Olvera, but IPNI entry 20008565-2 is a mix. --Franz Xaver (talk) 23:56, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
I've submitted a correction to IPNI for the Martha Olvera entry (full name:Martha Virginia Olvera García). The really funny thing is that these two have collaborated together on some projects. Circeus (talk) 03:07, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Taxon Frameworks[edit]

Copying User:DarTar's post from Wikidata's village pump:

Hey all, iNaturalist just announced the introduction of Taxon Frameworks based on a number of external secondary authorities, in an effort to "track and communicate what we mean by a particular branch of the tree of life and thus what we're all agreeing to reference and curate towards." Worth reading as it has potential implications for data modeling and referencing in Wikidata.DarTar (talk) 00:30, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

because this is relevant for Wikispecies, also. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:50, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Bembidion m[edit]

This bot generated "article" is probably a duplicate of Bembidion m-signatum. @User:Mariusm, could you please check this. --Succu (talk) 06:46, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Of course you're right, my bot isn't used to handling x-y species-name-format. I deleted it, thanks for your alertness. Mariusm (talk) 07:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
@Mariusm: From the same batch: Is it Aplothorax burchellii (created by you) or Aplothorax burchelli? --Succu (talk) 20:08, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
@Succu: This is a tricky one. The question is whether the name is based "Burchell" or on "Burchelli"? In fact it's after William John Burchell (1781–1863), therefore it should be "Aplothorax burchelli". Mariusm (talk) 10:09, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
In the original description Waterhouse used the spelling Aplothorax burchellii... --Succu (talk) 10:33, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
@Succu: No, the original description is here and Waterhouse mentions there specifically "Burchell" as the person after which the species is called. Therefore "burchellii" is a lapsus calami of Waterhouse. Mariusm (talk) 11:15, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
@Mariusm, Succu: Having read ICZN Art. 31.1, from the examples given there, it depends, whether the genitive is constructed form the modern name Burchell or according to Art. 31.1.1. from the latinized form Burchellius. The last sentence of Art. 31.1.2 tells: "the stem of such a name is determined by the action of the original author when forming the genitive." By using the form Burchellii, Waterhouse derived the genitive from the latinized form Burchellius in accordance with Art. 31.1.1. So, Aplothorax burchellii should be the correct name. Regards --Franz Xaver (talk) 16:33, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
@Succu: @Franz Xaver: There is indeed a mixing of "burchelli" and "burchellii" regarding patronymic names of William John Burchell: Eciton burchellii, Pedioplanis burchelli, Equus quagga burchellii etc. In the case of modern/Latinized name versions or possibilities, it ultimately depends on the author as Franz Xaver rightly says. Burchellius being a form rarely used, I wasn't aware of it. I will make Aplothorax burchellii the species name and Aplothorax burchelli a synonym. Mariusm (talk) 10:31, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Gerald R. Baum[edit]

It seems likely that Gerald R. Baum, a paleo-cirripedologist, is the same person as the geologist of the same name, described at http://viaf.org/viaf/33495676/ - the author of 'The Mattassee Lake sites' (1982). Can anyone confirm? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Baum is indeed geologist, usually working sequence stratigraphy on US East Coastal Plain. How he got to be taxon authority is by being second author in two publications with Victor A. Zullo, with 2-3 cirripede species. Neferkheperre (talk) 13:52, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

UMS[edit]

UMS and Category:UMS do not exist, but are used on four pages. Where is it? I note that Wikidata has a "University of Modern Sciences" (d:Q12204437), in Yemen. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:02, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I found a PDF of the article. The relevant paragraph:
"Holotypen und Para-typen der neubeschriebenen Taxa (außer denen von Euthalia aconthea abangaen. ssp., die im Museum der Universiti Malaysia Sarawak, Kota Samarahan, verbleiben) sind in der coll. C. G. Treadaway deponiert. Sie werden später in die Sammlung des Senckenberg-Museums, Frankfurt am Main, gelangen."
Translation: "Holotypes and paratypes of the newly described taxa (except those of Euthalia aconthea abangae ssp., which remain in the Museum of the Universiti Malaysia Sarawak, Kota Samarahan) are deposited in C. G. Treadaway's collection. They will later depisited in the collection of the Senckenberg Museum, Frankfurt am Main."
So, three things:
  1. Only one taxon (Euthalia aconthea abangae) should be marked as deposited in "UMS", the otehrs are in Treadaway's personal collection
  2. UMS stands for the "Museum of the Universiti Malaysia Sarawak", but is not a usual abbreviation for that institution: it seems to be usually for Universiti Malaysia Sabah
  3. We do have a page and category for Universiti Malaysia Sarawak, I believe: UNIMAS (there's also UMSM and NHMUM listed on the repositories page). Circeus (talk) 18:04, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Using wikispecies for a public agronomical project[edit]

Hello everyone,

I work at INRA in the SYSTEM UMR (based at Montpellier, France), and my current project is the creation of an informatic tool to browse, share and use knowledge about systemic agriculture (understand a lot of ecosystem with a lot of specialist). First of all, I don't know if I am at the right place to discuss this, but I couldn't find better so feel free to send me a PM to redirect me at the right direrction. I would like to use the wikispecies data as a thesaurus ontology directly on the tool, so agronoms whom describe new processus have a structured vocabulary (ontology/thesaurus) whith semantics in it, while having rich description and documentation, images, and "partiality". For whom can/want understand, we are currently using the NALT ontology for the species taxonomy (https://agclass.nal.usda.gov/dne/search_sc.shtml) The aim of the project is to build a platform to share agronomical knowledge, to help conception of new agronomical culture plans : the more connectivity we got, the better it is, and wikimedia seems a very good entity to work with.

Best regards, Guilhem HEINRICH

email : guilhem.heinrich@inra.fr — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 147.99.7.96 (talkcontribs) 13:48, 30 November 2018‎.

You might also like to consider using Wikidata, which is available as linked- open- data. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:15, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Category:Taxa by author, sort[edit]

I see that the Category:Taxa by author is partially sorted by surname (where there is an index used), partially sorted by given name (where there is not). Which sort is preferred in Wikispecies and is there any action of standardization planned? Which one should I use, if I use the category? Thanks for your attention and sorry for my clumsy writing. — Daniel FR (talk) 11:33, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Sort by surname is preferred; by using {{DEFAULTSORT:}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:51, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
You can try the template: {{Taxa by author|Name surname|surname, name}}. Burmeister (talk) 12:26, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes, That's a better solution. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:55, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Syntax highlighting[edit]

A recent change to this wiki's software has, it seems, enabled syntax highlighting.

Coincidentally, the spelchecker in my brower, Firefox, no longer highlights mistyped words (the highlighting is still present on mistyped worsds in the subject field of ths page, for example, so the spelchck plugin is active).

Does anyone know more about this? Are other wikis affected (Commons and Wikidata are not; I have a spearte highlighting script in Wikipedia)? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:50, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Template:Ti[edit]

What is the point of {{Ti}}? It renders text like this:

Example

by applying a span with this styling: style="color: black; background-color: #e8e8e8; font-family: verdana; font-size: 90%; font-weight: bold;" and has no other effect.

Why is it used on some pages, and not others? Do we need it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:03, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Delete wrongly named item[edit]

Hi, Folks! What can I do to have a wrongly named item deleted? (Here: "Cartegory:John Hewitt taxa", it's not by me.) I tried to move it to "Category:John Hewitt taxa", but this category already exists. — Daniel FR (talk) 12:40, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

I have deleted it for you. Best regards Andyboorman (talk) 12:53, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
I got in just after you and found it redlinked. I did correct two transcluded pages, so all is swell. Neferkheperre (talk) 13:02, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks to both of you! <3 — Daniel FR (talk) 13:23, 1 December 2018 (UTC) (But how'd you do it, Andy?)

Missing repositories[edit]

We have red links for the following repository abbreviations:

I have been unable to identifty the repositires to which they refer. Can anyone assist, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:56, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

There are a few here and here. Hope this helps Andyboorman (talk) 15:39, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
  • CMA: Personal (ichthyological) collection of Muthukumarasamy Arunachalam
  • FHS: Personal herbarium of Hans Peter Fuchs
  • FSL: Centre des Sciences de la Terre, Université Claude Bernard (i.e. Collection de Géologie[?], Université Claude Bernard Lyon 1). FSL stands for "Faculté des Sciences de Lyons".
  • GZU: Index Herbariorium for Graz University Herbarium
  • IEUP: Istituto di Entomologia, Università degli Studi, Pavia, Italy
  • IRET: Probably Institut de Recherche en Écologie Tropicale, Gabon
  • JLA: Personal collection of Jean-Louis Amiet (now deposited at MHNG, JLA should not be linked at all)
  • MEC: Medical Entomological Collection, Institute of Microbiology and Epidemiology, Beijing (We have this as CME, MEIM on the repositories list and IMEAMMS)
  • MMU: Museum of Manchester, The University, Manchester, England (i.e. MMUE)
  • MNW: this is a typo for NMW
  • MPA: ???
  • MZN: Probably Muséum-aquarium de Nancy, nowadays referred to as MAN
  • NR: Probably Naturhistoriska Riksmuseet, SMNH
  • PRA: Index Herbariorium for Institute of Botany, Czech Academy of Sciences
  • PUM: maybe Universitá di Pisa (MSNUP)? Abbreviation is from here, but PUM not listed in their museum abbreviation.
  • UA:
    • Libotonius/Albanerpeton: "Department of Geology, University of Alberta" (UALVP?)
    • Triaenops: Université d'Antananarivo (UADBA?)
  • UI: University of illinois Museum of natural history (UIMNH), now part of INHS
  • UMS: I answered this after you asked yesterday.
  • ZI: Zoological Institute, Academy of Sciences, St. Peterburg, i.e. ZIN or ZISP
  • ZJUC: Hymenoptera collection of Zhejiang University, ZJUH
  • ZMUT: Department of Zoology, University Museum, University of Tokyo, i.e. TUM
Most of those are listed in the linked publications. Some are stated on the taxon pages. Circeus (talk) 17:42, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. I've made pages and categories (or, in a couple of cases, redirects) for those that are unabiguous. Happy for others to check them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:26, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Misspelled Sabine Von Mering redirect[edit]

I would kindly ask for input from the WS community to a developing discussion regarding delete of misspelled Sabine Von Mering redirect to Sabine von Mering, which has been deleted and restored several times the past week. Dan Koehl (talk) 10:38, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Possibly duplicate author pages[edit]

These author pages are possibly duplicates. As they concern zoologists, I ask the zoology editors to check them and please merge, if necessary:

Kind regards, --Thiotrix (talk) 20:20, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Mysterious category[edit]

Does anybody know, why Tenuipalpus caudatus is sorted in Category:Taxon authorities? I wanted to delete the category, but I do not find the code for this. --Thiotrix (talk) 22:36, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

The category was hidden among the references. I removed it. Regards --Franz Xaver (talk) 00:10, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Should we really pop illustrations of scientists on organism pages? Circeus (talk) 02:47, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Nope, most certainly not. The page suffered from several shortcomings, such as using BASEPAGENAME and lacking a lot of author- and journal links as well as {{Repository link}} templates. Thanks for the heads-up: it's all sorted now! Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 03:38, 5 December 2018 (UTC).
Thank you all! --Thiotrix (talk) 09:48, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

A word of encouragement[edit]

In the recent couple of years I concentrate in updating the Staphylinidae familia which is an exceptionally diverse beetle family. I've contacted one of the world leading experts on this group Alfred Francis Newton to ask for information and pointed to him the WS resource. Here is an extract from his reply:

"I had not looked as [at] Wikispecies for a while, and was impressed at what is there, including the complete bibliography for me and the data on some south temperate staphs from our PEET site. It is a useful resource, and worth supporting.

For that reason, I attach a copy of the same Excel file extract for Staphyliniformia that I recently made and sent to Catalogue of Life, and also to the Field Museum IT team, with permission to use data from it for those web resources, and now likewise for Wikispecies."

This ought to provide us with encouragement to keep on improving WS and making it a sought-after resource. Mariusm (talk) 09:40, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Wonderful news! Thank you for sharing. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 12:32, 6 December 2018 (UTC).
Agree, well done @Mariusm: good news! Is it possible that WS has now reached a level, where it is relevant to more actively invite people to join the project? Dan Koehl (talk) 13:09, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Dan, I do sometimes contact authors asking for more information and pointing to problems I've found in their articles, and in the process I mention WS. But those are busy scientists and I don't suppose they'll be contributing directly. However when we overcome a certain popularity threshold I think some editors will migrate from WP to us. Right now too many pages are way too much deficient and the amount of work needed to remedy that is way too much to be handled by the quantity of editors active right now. This is vicious cycle which needs to be broken somehow. This is why I use MariusBot to add thousands of new species pages, albeit in a reduced form. Mariusm (talk) 14:14, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Prymnesiophyceae (algae/Chromista) not a current name?[edit]

Prymnesiophyceae (algae) has been replaced by the earlier published name Coccolithophyceae in a number of recent online and print sources. I have added some comments at https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Prymnesiophyceae which others may care to follow up... Regards - Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 21:33, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Modify a Template[edit]

Can anybody with more knowledge of template procedures help me out. I have made a template BRBA, which I hoped and thought linked directly to a taxon page via the template's and Brassibase search procedures. I based it on the well known and well used template WCSP. Unfortunately it does not work correctly, although I thought it did! Brassibase has now become the most respected and well known site for Brassiaceae, as can be seen, so I feel it would be good to get it working correctly. Best regards and fingers crossed. Andyboorman (talk) 10:54, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

I think it works now. I replaced the http by https and added the PATH parameter to the urlencode function in order to transform the spaces into %20. -RLJ (talk) 12:07, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks it certainly seems to work on all fronts. Cheers Andyboorman (talk) 12:25, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Bot needed[edit]

Hello folks. Can anybody write a bot to get rid of la="taxon name" from the VN section? Latin is not a vernacular name after all. It is getting a bit frustrating to remove it manually every time I come across it. Thanks once again. Andyboorman (talk) 13:59, 14 December 2018 (UTC)