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IRMNG as a potential resource for Wikispecies[edit]

Hi all, I am not currently a Wikispecies contributor (because there are only so many hours a day and my energies are mainly directed elsewhere, see below) but do lurk occasionally at the WS Village Pump to catch what is going on. However I thought it might be worthwhile to introduce my taxonomic names-collecting project to you, IRMNG, the Interim Register of Marine and Nonmarine Genera, in case there are aspects of it that might help Wikispecies - for example for gap analysis or as a source of names you might otherwise not find so easily. IRMNG contains as many genus names as I have been able to locate over the lifetime of the project (2006 onwards), currently over 485,000, with more added on an intermittent basis, all arranged in a coherent taxonomic hierarchy (although not all are allocated to family at this time). In addition to a simple name search and a browsable taxon tree, one of the things that distinguishes IRMNG from some other compilations (apart from its scope which, like Wikispecies, is "all life", both extant and fossil) is the facility to fine tune searches to one's particular needs e.g. filter by taxonomic group and by cited year - this facility being available via the IRMNG "advanced search" page at For example, a search for genus names published in 2010 in Coleoptera yields 248 names and is set up as follows:

  • Authority [contains] 2010
  • Rank [is] Genus
  • Belongs to: Coleoptera (selected from picklist once "Coleoptera" is entered)

The resulting list looks like this (start):

IRMNG Taxon list

Search returned 248 matching records, showing records 1-100.

Click on one of the taxon names listed below to check the details.

List of names


Of course you can do similar things with any other taxonomic group or with all names, or search for a particular author name, etc. etc. The entire IRMNG dataset (down to genus) can also be downloaded without restriction, see, and the download file is updated from the master (web) version a couple of times a year at this time.

Just mentioning this in case it is of value. I spend quite a lot of time trawling various resources out there (although always more work to be done!) and integrating the results so may be able to save downstream users such as yourselves a bit of time, perhaps. Of course in an ideal world this stuff would only require to be entered once into a single location and then flow seamlessly to other projects but that state of nirvana is still a little way off :) Best regards - Tony Rees Tony 1212 (talk) 00:28, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

BTW I should point out that IRMNG is fairly complete up to around 2012 or so (later for some groups) but less so for the most recently published names - a situation that may be rectified at some point ... Tony 1212 (talk) 00:38, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Also note the method above works for plant groups as well, since (in contrast to "classic" botanical tradition) I like to keep the publication year as well as the author names for botanical genera, as well as zoological ones. Of course, use of the year in the query filter is optional, if you do not use it you will simply get all names for any desired group (up to a limit of 10,000 per query via the web). Tony 1212 (talk) 05:33, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
The best solution would be to propose a Wikidata property for your identifiers (e.g. "1469897" for Acanthocolum), then load them all into Wikidata's Mix'n'Match tool, and match them to existing Wikidata items, or create new items where necessary. Then, we can run a query on Wikidata, "list all items with an IRMNG ID that has no Wikispecies page". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:51, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
My Wikidata-Bot is able to read the Darwin Core Archive and can match the ID to the correct Wikidata item. --Succu (talk) 14:45, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Tony 1212, Do you distinguish or are you being able to distinguish between valid genera and genera names in synonymy, genera-names-class such as subgenera, and rank-transferred names. for example: (1) A search for "Empleurus" yields "Empleurus Hope, 1838 accepted as Helophorus Fabricius, 1775" but doesn't indicate that Empleurus is a subgenus of Helophorus. (2) A search for "Tachyusota" yields "Status unaccepted" which is correct, but wrongly states "Accepted Name: Ischnopoda Stephens, 1835" (the correct one is Tachyusa Erichson, 1837). (3) Calischnopoda is listed as "accepted" yet it's a synonymy of Ischnopoda. Mariusm (talk) 15:22, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello Mariusm, thanks for checking out my compilation and for your questions which I will try to answer. For your question (1), as you realise, the taxonomicStatus field (mostly "accepted" or "unaccepted") refers to the presently stored status at generic rather than subgeneric level; IRMNG at present does not attempt to store subgenera as separate entities (a legacy from its original design and rapid assembly nature) although in future it could do so (with a lot of additional work). There is a "notes" field in the master file which, in the cited case of Empleurus Hope, 1838, reads : "Taxonomic remark: As Helophorus (Empleurus) in Hallan, 2000-. Currently valid as subgenus (Hallan, 2000-)." (refer; unfortunately these notes are only readable on the web version at present, not in the DwCA archive download (I could maybe ask VLIZ, the present database custodians, to think about preparing the notes fields as a separate table for download). (2) and (3) require me to do some further checking; if there are stated synonymies given in IRMNG they will have come from somewhere (again, sources are viewable via the web version) but they may be outdated compared with more recent sources - hopefully any such errors are for historic reasons rather than actual mistakes.
There is a fourth issue which you have not yet spotted but may become apparent: when I created IRMNG I had a status equivalent to "unassessed" for names of which the taxonomic status had not been further researched (i.e., their valid name or synonym status was not known), however in the current, VLIZ-hosted version that status does not exist and all such names (around 20% of animal genera) are treated as "accepted", although (once again via the web version) their is a note on validity "Not yet assessed" (or some such wording). Again for power users, I could get VLIZ to generate a list of the relevant IRMNG IDs/names if this is important for you. Cheers - Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 23:50, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
OK, I checked the cases you mentioned in points (3) and (4). Tachyusota Casey, 1906 is listed in IRMNG as a synonym of Ischnopoda based on Hallan's Biology Catalog from which I uploaded relevant information in 2012, in which it is given as a subgenus of Ischnopoda. I note, however, that in Löbl & Löbl's 2015 catalogue, Tachyusota is given in the synonymy of Tachyusa Erichson; I can update this in the master IRMNG version, from which it will propagate to the next web download in due course (but not for some months). Calischnopoda is a different case in that it is one of the "unassessed" names in IRMNG (sourced from Nomenclator Zoologicus but not encountered in other taxonomic lists yet used for IRMNG population or markup) but coming through as "accepted" for now via the VLIZ hosting procedure (although it will be on any separately generated list of IRMNG unassessed names). I see that Löbl & Löbl list this as a synonym of Ischnopoda as you point out, so I can update this record also, although there will still be perhaps 100,000 names not yet assessed in the IRMNG master file (along with 300,000+ that have been, at least from one cited source) which is just a fact of the current IRMNG data set that has to be borne in mind (with my apologies).
Perhaps the take-home message is that IRMNG will alert you to names that have been published in a particular group, but you cannot always rely on it for the latest taxonomic status of all the names held which should therefore ideally be verified independently. Over time, the treatment of particular groups is upgraded but because taxonomy is a moving target IRMNG cannot unfortunately be as up-to-date in all respects as other, more specialist compilations; however IRMNG does provide an integrated view across all groups (useful, e.g. for the detection of homonyms in particular) that its equivalents elsewhere typically do not, as well as open access to the data in an easily reusable form. By the way, more details on IRMNG data sources used plus some of its benefits and/or limitations are contained in this 2017 publication: IRMNG 2006–2016: 10 Years of a Global Taxonomic Database Tony 1212 (talk) 03:25, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
@Tony 1212: many thanks for your detailed answer. The IRMNG can indeed be of value when searching for genus-name basic attributes but the details must be double-checked for accuracy. Mariusm (talk) 09:59, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
@Mariusm:Correct! I named it "Interim" for this reason (also because when something better comes along, it can be superseded or retired...) Tony 1212 (talk) 21:09, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
I have now posted a proposal for a Wikidata property, at d:Wikidata:Property proposal/IRMNG taxon ID. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:16, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi @Pigsonthewing:, just letting you know that IRMNG has many duplicated names (homonyms sensu stricto plus sensu lato i.e. between kingdoms, nomina nuda, and published misspellings which collide with other, correctly spelled names of different taxa) that have to be borne in mind for any mapping exercise - see lists at When I last looked here were over 70,000 such cases at genus level (perhaps 30,000 discrete names) of which the worst is Wagneria with 14(?) instances... Plus there are also unrecognised cases, e.g. within the last 10 minutes I came across a genus Platydiscus in a botanical paper; the only Platydiscus in the present IRMNG download file is an animal, but this one is indeed a (fossil) plant genus name published in 2001 and not present in the major nomenclators. Incorrect mappings could have some (ahem) 'interesting' consequences. Regards Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 20:12, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Tony, looks like the IRMNG REST webservice is not working. I'm getting only 404 errors. --Succu (talk) 15:19, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Succu:, thanks for notifying us of that. There was a small error in the implementation which is now fixed. As an example, is now working, with other options described at . Cheers - Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 20:15, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Great, Tony! I will check this tomorrow. --Succu (talk) 20:19, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata property now created, as P5055. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:46, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

FYI Tony: The integration at Wikidata is running (around 600,000 ids by now), but due to some new edit limitation it will take a while. Regards --Succu (talk) 18:59, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @Succu: / Andy Mabbett. I'm not that familiar with wikidata so perhaps you can forgive these possibly naive questions - first, does your process harvest just the name/IRMNG ID/url (or LSID) or does it also grab other relations/properties (parent ID etc., valid name/ID if a synonym, etc.) and second, how does it deal with dynamic data - e.g. first, for a given IRMNG ID the name would not normally ever change (except in case of an unintentional typo, or adjustment to cited authority), but its associated relations/properties may, and second, as new items are added to the database (or occasionally deprecated); the latter will be added as the next available numbers so you can always trawl for those I am guessing (if you are working off the live master/web copy, not the static data dump).
There is one more thing you may encounter - a "feature" of the Aphia/WorMS data system in which IRMNG resides is that (apart from one or two special cases), the remote edit interface that is supplied for my and others' use does not support spaces in scientific names (these however can be inserted by the DB admins). So if I want to enter/edit an item named (say) "Mollusca (awaiting allocation)" it is entered/saved as "Mollusca_(awaiting_allocation)" for a while (generally a few weeks) until the underscores get replaced by spaces. Just letting you know in case you encounter any of these (maybe up to half a dozen out of 2.5 million at any one time). Regards - Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 22:06, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Just to note, if you are working off the Darwin Core Archive files, there will be no need to trawl for newly created records and also you will find no underscores. However if you are using the REST service these aspects may be of interest. Cheers - Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 22:22, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Hey Tony the first (ongoing) run of my bot is matching a name present in WD to IRMNG within a "kingdom" only and is omitting homonyms therein. Underscores shouldn't be a problem, but thanks for your hint. --Succu (talk)

Category:Accepted species name[edit]

Category:Accepted species name has over 33K members, but is not used comprehensively. What is its purpose, and do we need it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:39, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

In botany, unless stated otherwise, for example by using {{disputed}}, all taxon pages are "accepted" by a consensus, which ideally is featured in the Reference section. Therefore, this category is superfluous and can be deleted on mass, IMHO. Cheers Andyboorman (talk) 13:26, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
agreed, this is useless information and honestly a given on the basis that the name appears at all. Delete all. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 16:14, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Also agree--names are accepted until we know otherwise. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:27, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps all Category:Accepted names have the same problem and deserve to be deleted altogether. Burmeister (talk) 17:39, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Totally agree, I am sure they all are unused. Clutter or vanity project, me thinks. Andyboorman (talk) 20:15, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Indeed. Category:Accepted names and all of its subcategories are more or less pointless, and should be deleted. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 21:03, 25 May 2018 (UTC).

I feel confident that this is consensus among many long-time users of the site and this is one of many pet projects of User:Stho002. I feel good about deletion. —Justin (koavf)TCM 21:09, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
I would be happy to remove these myself but note that we don't have floodflag on this wiki. How do we want to proceed? —Justin (koavf)TCM 21:11, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
I think they may be mass deleted with Huggle. Dan Koehl (talk) 00:43, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
EDIT: Sorry, I was wrong there of course, this is not a question of mass delete, but category removal. removing that category from files should be easy with AutoWikiBrowser? Dan Koehl (talk) 00:47, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
Oh sure, I'd be happy to do it. I'm just saying that it will clog up special:RecentChanges. If everyone is cool with that, I'll go for it. —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:04, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
Fine by me Andyboorman (talk) 07:28, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
What is the alternative? This is used if species etc. are valid. PeterR (talk) 09:08, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Names should be assumed to be valid unless we know otherwise. A disputed or invalid name would be noteworthy but correct, standard information is the norm. Why does this need to be categorized? —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:14, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

@Koavf, Andyboorman: I don't see why the rush to delete the Category: Accepted species name before giving it the time for a proper discussion. I also can't understand why botanists should deem it unnecessary when clearly it is a zoology-category and is irrelevant for botany. I think this category is useful because it stands as a counterpart for Category: Invalid species name. I consider this deletion improper and unproductive for WS. Mariusm (talk) 09:17, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

@Mariusm, Koavf: I also never understood the need for Category: Invalid species name, please enlighten me, thanks. Andyboorman (talk) 09:23, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
What instantly looked like a clear case of a consensus, may actually not be so, and further discussions during at least a week may have foregone this action. I'm sure the category changes can be reverted, should there arise a large support of keeping this category. In either case, seems this case should be brought to the community's attention on a broader scale, so everyone can make their opinion heard? Dan Koehl (talk) 09:28, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
@Andyboorman: Category: Invalid species name is VERY important because MANY invalid names have their own page and not merely a redirect. It is VERY important to indicate that these names are invalid. See for example Liogluta nigrobusta. Mariusm (talk) 09:36, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
@Mariusm: That does not really answer my question. To rephrase, what is it about Liogluta nigrobusta that qualifies it for its own taxon page? Why is it different from the synonyms under Cotula? In other words do we need a category to deal with taxon pages that do not belong on WS? Cheers. Andyboorman (talk) 10:02, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
@Andyboorman: What makes you say Liogluta nigrobusta doesn't belong to WS? Of course it does. Many synonyms have a lot of relevant information which can't fit in the valid-species relevant page, and if it does it wont be represented clearly enough. Some species have such a convoluted history that it's necessary to give their synonyms their due place. We never agreed that synonyms can't have their own pages which isn't a redirect. Many databases are giving the synonyms their specific pages where all their relevant data is represented, and I consider it a good practice. Mariusm (talk) 14:30, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
@Mariusm: I think we will have to agree to disagree, as I think that the data can be accommodated on the accepted taxon page. Regards Andyboorman (talk) 16:13, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
Well as a zoologist I see no value for the cat either. To me it is not about botany vs zoology and the slight differences between the codes. Yes the definitions of invalid and unavailable are different, however, accepted is not actually a zoological term either. Names in zoology are either unavailable or available (based on requirements) and if available they may be valid or invalid, based on whether they are the currently used synonymym or ajunior of some type. I see no value myself in junior synonyms having entire pages, redirects to the senior synonym sure, but I see no reason for making pages for taxa that are invalid. All the type data of the synonym and its refs can be included on the main page, why can this not happen. These categories are a waste of time and space. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 18:49, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

in regards to Category: Invalid species name I am also in favor of deleting this, however, accept that may need more discussion. I ask this, what does it achieve creating a page for an invalid species, only to have it sit in this category plus have a link to its senior synonym and a template showing its invalid. What purpose does this serve for the nomenclature of the living world? Why can this information not be placed on the senior synonyms page. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 19:04, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Wouldn't it make more sense to include all taxon pages using the {{invalid}} template automatically in a Category:Invalid taxon name instead of adding them manually to such a cat? - And yes, I think, invalid taxon pages are useful for documentation purposes. Just in case, a user should want to search for such a name. --Murma174 (talk) 19:23, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
@Murma174, Mariusm: The documentation and data for the so called "invalid" taxon can be part of the senior synonym, or "accepted" taxon page. If the so called invalid taxon is in the synonymy of this page, as it should be, then it would feature in a search by a prospective user, or am I wrong? I think that is the way to progress WS for relatively complex taxonomies rather then the less transparent system of nested categories. I suggest this is more implicit and data driven. OK there are a few cases where consensus has not been achieved and names are in dispute, but that is a separate argument. Andyboorman (talk) 21:55, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
agree with @Andyboorman: and this is my point. It should be in the synonymy on the valid name page, and if you use a search it will still find them if it is either a redirect to the valid name, or it is contained in the page. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 22:04, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
@Andyboorman, Faendalimas: This isn't a search-question. My point is that a senior-synonym page is too restricted to handle a bunch of junior-synonyms, each with its type-data; each with its name-combination-history; each with its group of references and mentions. Eventually this poor senior-synonym page will become a mess of entangled data. Thanks-God the senior-pages contain presently only the BARE-MINIMUM for the junior-synonyms data, but for the full-blown-data the best way is to use dedicated pages for the juniors. Mariusm (talk) 08:43, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
@Mariusm, Faendalimas: This is a huge expansion of the current WS and its scope. Whilst there are so many red-linked accepted taxa then I will not be joining you any time soon. Andyboorman (talk) 09:56, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Settle back, this isn't for ALL synonyms, only for selected ones (for now). Mariusm (talk) 10:07, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

A little OT meanwhile, but anyway: Abutilon Brazil virus is no synonym, but lost its status as a species, because the genetic difference to Abutilon mosaic Brazil virus is too small, and thus the first was merged into the latter. I added some information from the first page into the valid species page, and now(!) the invalid species page could be replaced by a redirect IMO. But we should keep the invalid species pages, where it is not yet done, or not that easy to merge the pages. --Murma174 (talk) 10:55, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
P.S. And - again - it would help a lot, if all pages with {{invalid}} template did show up in one maintenance category. --Murma174 (talk) 11:06, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

searching was brought up hence I mentioned it. I get this is not for all synonyms. I just honestly do not see the value in it. However, if it is being used by some for whatever reason, eg maintenance, updating etc, it is also harmless so long as its not extended to all taxa. Those using it can use it as they see fit I guess. But I myself prefer to add all synonyms to the valid name only and have no pages for synonyms unless the are redirects. I only do the redirects where taxonomy has been dynamic and recent. In other words the synonyms have been used and may be searched for. Therefore, if some people wish to keep this category and its not automatically applied or reqiuired then for me it can stay to be used by those who wish to use it. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 18:12, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Another problem with redirecting synonyms is that there are cases where a specific taxon name is the synonym of several other, accepted but separate taxa. Where to redirect the synonym then? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 20:41, 27 May 2018 (UTC).
@Tommy Kronkvist: Not sure, whether I understand your question properly, but we have lots of disambiguation pages in Category:Disambiguation pages with synonyms and homonyms. --Murma174 (talk) 21:45, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
@Tommy Kronkvist: that occurs occasionally when there are syntypes that represent different species and no one has bothered to split the type series to resolve it. However, it does at times happen. Technically it should be redirected to the older name as if it was a valid name that is the taxon that would be resolved to get the name. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 17:00, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

"this isn't for ALL synonyms, only for selected ones (for now)" How - on what criteria - are these selections made? Where is this process documented? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:31, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

This approach will only benefit a few taxa and a single editor. I am sure that is fine, as long as there is consensus as to its harmlessness and the experimentation may have a long term benefit. However, I feel that when it impacts outside its confines and dictates to WS as a whole then that is not acceptable. Therefore, these categories and others like them should be deleted in the same way as we agreed to delete location categories. We have got to focus on the basics - WS is primarily a database concerned with currently accepted taxa and their relationships and classifications. It is not a database of categories, surely? Andyboorman (talk) 19:29, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Yes @Andyboorman: you are correct, as I indicated I am ok with it so long as no attempt to extend it is made. In other words it is and remains harmless. However, I will go with consensus here. If everyone wants them deleted I am ok with that decision too. To @Pigsonthewing:, Andy I do not know where or even if it was ever discussed or documented, why not I also do not know. Should this mean it should be deleted, to me no, not for that reason, byut as I indicated I do not think this is of any value either and for that reason they could be deleted. As I said above though if it can remain harmless then I can accept it staying. If it stays please do not ever ask me to comply with it. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 00:58, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I can't see the point of opposing either the Category: Accepted species name or the Category: Invalid species name. Both are harmless. More than that, they are beneficial in many ways. One benefit is the ability to group together and to manipulate all the valid-zoological-species. In the current situation we can't do that which is a significant drawback. Another benefit is the ability to instantly switch a valid species to an invalid one while preserving all the page information. Currently more than 3000 species are assigned as invalid species, which is a significant asset (see the templates {{invalid}} and {{invalid genus}}). The deletion of the Category: Accepted species name was a major mistake to my mind, and the procedure to go ahead and delete it without a proper discussion was a misjudgment. I hope to be able to gradually reintroduce the Category: Accepted species name to be able to utilize all its advantages. Mariusm (talk) 09:42, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

@Mariusm: In contrast, I and it seems a number of others, can see the point in not concentrating on the plethora of invalid names in favour of those that are accepted and there was no major mistake made in the deletion. Nevertheless this whole business could have been dealt with by proper discussion and consensus before you spent a lot of energy on this categorisation project. It seems that as a harmless side-show you should be free to go ahead without consensus or a vote, but I am unhappy with this, as it could open the flood gate to a host of private projects on WS. This has happened in the past with the build up of acrimonious consequences. I think the way forward is now to convene a separate discussion with a view to seeking consensus culminating in a vote. In addition, as you originated, or at least are a major user of the procedure, you ought to open the case for retaining these categories. Hopefully this sounds a reasonable way forward. Andyboorman (talk) 13:18, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
@Andyboorman: I think the above categories and the invalid names to be an ancillary part of the routine work we do and not something out of the ordinary as you imply. These bits of data are designed to add value to the respective pages and are not mandatory. Furthermore they are irrelevant to the botanical section of WS where you contribute. Why categories which clarify and help organize our database be termed "without consensus" when they are present here for many years and were never until now been opposed to. Mariusm (talk) 13:44, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
well I work on the zoological data and I am also not for them. Since it has created discussion its not unreasonable to make a proposal and a vote to keep or discard. Recreating a category that has been removed by consensus without new discussion is also not of any benefit. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 21:48, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Many more Wikidata items for articles with DOIs[edit]

Our friend User:Magnus Manske has, at my request, extracted ~35K DOIs from Wikispecies, and is using a bot to create Wikidata items for those that lack them; see list here. Gradually, the Wikidata community (which of course includes many Wikispecies editors; all are welcome) will add links (again, where they are not already included) from those items to items about authors, publications, and the major subjects of the articles; and together we can associate the items with corresponding templates here on Wikispecies.

For each item created, it is possible to see the data visualised, in Scholia, like this. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:28, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

...for others, we of course first need to create the Template: Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:16, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Andy Mabbett looks good, still lots to do in that a quick look suggests that most articles have the authors listed as strings (wikidata:Property:P2093) rather than as Wikidata items, even though many authors likely already exist in Wikidata. Part of the challenge will be developing queries across Wikidata and Wikispecies to find these cases and resolve them. But the potential is exciting. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rdmpage (talkcontribs) 11:38, 5 June 2018.
@Rdmpage: A script will eventually convert P2093 ("Author name string") to P50 ("Author"), provided the authors have an ORCID iD and have included the DOI of the article in their ORCID record. It runs on a batch basis, updating a few hundred records every day, or can be invoked for a specific author using the "ORCIDator" tool. Obviously, this excludes authors who died before 2012, and so are not eligible to have an ORCID iD, so manual intervention is useful in such cases. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:03, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: For "fun" I've created two SPARQL queries to try a different approach. Given that many taxonomic authors will have pages here and hence items in Wikidata, one way is to grab DOIs from Wikispecies pages for authors, then check whether those items in Wikidata have links to the author's Wikidata item. For example y9n64zmy checks whether the first author of 10.3897/ZOOKEYS.507.9536 wikidata:Q21187205 has a Wikidata item (it is). The second author isn't, and so would be a candidate for updating. When updating it would be nice to have a way to check that the authors are the "same", this query gets the Wikispecies name of a person and the name attached to the work so that they can be compared (for example by a script that does approximate string matching). I have scripts to parse Wikispecies references to extract data (nightmare) and am thinking it might be useful to bundle these together with the SPARQL queries so that we could generate the necessary Quickstatements to update Wikidata (i.e., delete author strings, replace with author items.--Rdmpage (talk) 11:54, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Note that the tiny url links are blocked by Wikispecies so I can't include short links to the Wikidata queries (oh the irony).--Rdmpage (talk) 11:54, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
y9n64zmy. --Succu (talk) 20:50, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
y83hnfyg. --Succu (talk) 20:53, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
@Rdmpage: Work to deploy Wikimedia's own URL shortener, which will resolve this issue, is in hand; see Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:16, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Dirhagini n.g. 2 and Dirhagini n.g. 3[edit]

Both are created by an IP in 2008. What to do with them? --Succu (talk) 20:42, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

both are I am guessing new unnamed genera of the tribe Dirhagini. No additional info, quick seach I could find nothing helpful. I suggest delete both the n.g. pages. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 21:45, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
If described in formal text as such, then they are considered as described in open nomenclature. They are not formally named, so I would agree to delete. Neferkheperre (talk) 22:37, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Deleted. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 08:27, 1 June 2018 (UTC).
Thx. I requested deletion at Wikidata. --Succu (talk) 15:41, 1 June 2018 (UTC)


Mantophasma zephyrum or Mantophasma zephyra? EOL and ITIS say -um, GBIF and most Wikipedias say -a. I'd bet for -um. Has anybody access to the original source? (Klass, K.-D., O. Zompro, N. P. Kristensen, and J. Adis. 2002.) --Murma174 (talk) 11:07, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Maybe this (Damgaard et al., 2008) can help: "We also agree with Zompro (2005) that the gender of ‘‘Phasma” is neuter, which also applies to all genus names ending with —phasma in Klass et al. (2003a); consequently, the ending ‘‘—ensis” of species names is changed into ‘‘–ense”,‘‘zephyra” is changed into ‘‘zephyrum”, and‘‘subsolana” into ‘‘subsolanum”." Burmeister (talk) 14:14, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Great! Thank you. --Murma174 (talk) 16:20, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

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Update on page issues on mobile web[edit]

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Please can someone help with the issue described at Talk:Bernieridae? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:28, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

I just looked it over. Xanthomixis is definitely primary homonymy, with the bird name having precedence. I did change that entry to Xanthomixis (Aves). I can find no replacement name for the noctuid. @PeterR: would be one to find one, if it exists, as that page would have to be moved. Let me know about any replacement name, and I can fix everything. Neferkheperre (talk) 13:31, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Xanthomixis is still listed as a valid subgenus of Polymixis (Noctuidae) in both LepIndex (old) and Catalogue of Butterflies and Moths of the Natural History Museum (newer), although it is a preoccupied name, and I cannot find any published replacement via Google Scholar so am presuming none currently exist. Tony 1212 (talk) 05:48, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
I did more research yesterday, and found Fibiger & Hacker, 2005, which presents complete taxonomy and listings of Noctuoidea. I templated it, and added it to Noctuoidea. They synonymize Xanthomixis into Polymixis on p. 150, without discussing homonymy. GBIF listed Xanthomixis (Noctuoidea) as doubtful. Apparently this one of those taxa whose status depends on who you talk to and when. I shall adjust things enough to avoid confusion. Neferkheperre (talk) 12:06, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Gurney or Gurner?[edit]

BHL lists the Australian ornithologist and entomologist Victor Gurney Logan van Someren as Victor Gurner Logan van Someren, with an "r" rather than a "y" in "Gurney". Wikidata and four Wikipedias (enWP, esWP, fiWP and nlWP) uses the same spelling as we do. Which is correct? Should we move our page to say "Gurner" instead? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk)‚ 13:39, 16 June 2018 (UTC).

Correct name is Victor Gurney Logan Van Someren so we should all make sure thats what we have. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 17:26, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
@Faendalimas: Thanks Scott! Unfortunately it's quite frequently spelled "Gurner", for example in OCLC's WorldCat Identities.[1] By the way, do you happen to know whether he was the brother (or cousin, etc.) of Robert Abraham Logan van Someren, (M.B., Ch.B. 1904; M.D. 1907; D.P.H. [Edinburgh]. Uganda Medical Service, 1905; S.M.O. 1914; promoted to Captain in June 1915; mentioned in the University of Edinburgh Roll of Honour 1914–1919.)
They were co-writers of van Someren, R.A.L. & van Someren, V.G.L. 1911. Studies of Bird Life in Uganda; and van Someren, R.A.L. & van Someren, V.G.L. 1917. Provisional check list of the birds of East Africa and Uganda.
Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 08:46, 17 June 2018 (UTC).
Heya, sorry I have no idea of their relationship if any. Its not that uncommon a name. VGL wrote in a number of areas, as you note entomology and ornithology, maybe somewhere in all that someone did a biography on him. Cheers, Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 02:41, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


A number of species of the wasp genus Ageniella are listed in commons:Category:Ageniella, based on images from the fine 'Insects Unlocked' collection; but do not have pages on Wikispecies, nor items in Wikidata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:59, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Same for Anoplius, in commons:Category:Anoplius. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:17, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Have you checked if said supposed taxa are actually species. Since commons is populated by people putting up photos of what they think they saw or assume to know. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 02:35, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
No, I have not "checked". I'm prepared to take the statements at face value, given their provenance. Do you have any actual evidence to the contrary? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:05, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Well, quick look. According to Waichert, C., C.D. von Dohlen, J.P. Pitts. 2011. Ageniella accepta seems valid, but is a senior synonym of Ageniella conflicta‎. I do not know which subgenus it is in. This takes a lot of research to find the nomenclatural acts that show the currently accepted taxa in the group. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 21:14, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


Sandbox:Lucaspeñacorada was added by User:Magnus Manske to Wikidata some days ago. Are you supporting the sandbox concept here? --Succu (talk) 20:52, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Moved to User:Lucaspeñacorada/Sandbox; Wikidata item nominated for deletion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:03, 18 June 2018 (UTC)