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Consistancy across Wikipedia nomenclatural platforms[edit]

For instance: Wikipedia: Roccellaceae includes genus Opegrapha & — The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 19:03, 2 March 2018‎.

Contrary to English WP and the other Wikipedias, both the Global Biodiversity Information Facility ("GBIF") and Mycobank places Opegrapha in Opegraphaceae Stizenb. rather than in Roccellaceae Chevall. (see Opegrapha Ach. at MycoBank). Index Fungorum regards it as an isonym (See Opegraphaceae Stizenb. at Index Fungorum). ITIS treats the taxon Opegraphaceae Stizenb. as "not accepted" due to Myconet, 2001 (Outline of Ascomycota, vol. 7) which places the type genus Opegrapha Ach. in the family Roccellaceae Chevall. Therefore ITIS is placing Opegraphaceae Stizenb. in synonymy under Roccellaceae Chevall. (see Opegraphaceae Stizenb. at ITIS. Personally I have no idea what is correct here, but perhaps some of our mycologists have data that is up to date? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:05, 15 July 2018 (UTC).


Please can someone help with the issue described at Talk:Bernieridae? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:28, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

I just looked it over. Xanthomixis is definitely primary homonymy, with the bird name having precedence. I did change that entry to Xanthomixis (Aves). I can find no replacement name for the noctuid. @PeterR: would be one to find one, if it exists, as that page would have to be moved. Let me know about any replacement name, and I can fix everything. Neferkheperre (talk) 13:31, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Xanthomixis is still listed as a valid subgenus of Polymixis (Noctuidae) in both LepIndex (old) and Catalogue of Butterflies and Moths of the Natural History Museum (newer), although it is a preoccupied name, and I cannot find any published replacement via Google Scholar so am presuming none currently exist. Tony 1212 (talk) 05:48, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
I did more research yesterday, and found Fibiger & Hacker, 2005, which presents complete taxonomy and listings of Noctuoidea. I templated it, and added it to Noctuoidea. They synonymize Xanthomixis into Polymixis on p. 150, without discussing homonymy. GBIF listed Xanthomixis (Noctuoidea) as doubtful. Apparently this one of those taxa whose status depends on who you talk to and when. I shall adjust things enough to avoid confusion. Neferkheperre (talk) 12:06, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
I've created the page Xanthomixis (Aves) but it still needs references. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:49, 9 July 2018 (UTC).

Gurney or Gurner?[edit]

BHL lists the Australian ornithologist and entomologist Victor Gurney Logan van Someren as Victor Gurner Logan van Someren, with an "r" rather than a "y" in "Gurney". Wikidata and four Wikipedias (enWP, esWP, fiWP and nlWP) uses the same spelling as we do. Which is correct? Should we move our page to say "Gurner" instead? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk)‚ 13:39, 16 June 2018 (UTC).

Correct name is Victor Gurney Logan Van Someren so we should all make sure thats what we have. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 17:26, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
@Faendalimas: Thanks Scott! Unfortunately it's quite frequently spelled "Gurner", for example in OCLC's WorldCat Identities.[1] By the way, do you happen to know whether he was the brother (or cousin, etc.) of Robert Abraham Logan van Someren, (M.B., Ch.B. 1904; M.D. 1907; D.P.H. [Edinburgh]. Uganda Medical Service, 1905; S.M.O. 1914; promoted to Captain in June 1915; mentioned in the University of Edinburgh Roll of Honour 1914–1919.)
They were co-writers of van Someren, R.A.L. & van Someren, V.G.L. 1911. Studies of Bird Life in Uganda; and van Someren, R.A.L. & van Someren, V.G.L. 1917. Provisional check list of the birds of East Africa and Uganda.
Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 08:46, 17 June 2018 (UTC).
Heya, sorry I have no idea of their relationship if any. Its not that uncommon a name. VGL wrote in a number of areas, as you note entomology and ornithology, maybe somewhere in all that someone did a biography on him. Cheers, Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 02:41, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


A number of species of the wasp genus Ageniella are listed in commons:Category:Ageniella, based on images from the fine 'Insects Unlocked' collection; but do not have pages on Wikispecies, nor items in Wikidata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:59, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Same for Anoplius, in commons:Category:Anoplius. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:17, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Have you checked if said supposed taxa are actually species. Since commons is populated by people putting up photos of what they think they saw or assume to know. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 02:35, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
No, I have not "checked". I'm prepared to take the statements at face value, given their provenance. Do you have any actual evidence to the contrary? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:05, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Well, quick look. According to Waichert, C., C.D. von Dohlen, J.P. Pitts. 2011. Ageniella accepta seems valid, but is a senior synonym of Ageniella conflicta‎. I do not know which subgenus it is in. This takes a lot of research to find the nomenclatural acts that show the currently accepted taxa in the group. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 21:14, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


Sandbox:Lucaspeñacorada was added by User:Magnus Manske to Wikidata some days ago. Are you supporting the sandbox concept here? --Succu (talk) 20:52, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Moved to User:Lucaspeñacorada/Sandbox; Wikidata item nominated for deletion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:03, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Wikidata item deleted. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:07, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
@Succu: Just a last note. We do have an "official" and public sandbox at Wikispecies:Sandbox, but we do not use a special "Sandbox" namespace (hence the link "Sandbox:Lucaspeñacorada" is out of scope) and also our public WS sandbox should not link to any subpages. Instead the use of user-specific sandboxes like "User:Lucaspeñacorada/Sandbox" are very much recommended. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 21:03, 26 June 2018 (UTC).
I hope User:Magnus Manske noticed this. Thanks. --Succu (talk) 21:06, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Linking names to types in Wikispecies[edit]

An essential element of nomenclature is the type specimen, but as far as I can see there is little or no information on Wikispecies about types. Why is this?

The reason I ask is that the Consortium of European Taxonomic Facilities has created a system of persistent identifiers for type specimens ( The intension is that the URI to the specimen will remain stable indefinitely, so we can link to type specimens without fear that the link will break. How could we go about linking types to names in Wikispecies? The type is linked to the name, rather than the taxon concept, so that aspect needs to be clear in the format.

There is no central authority for typification information and Wikispecies could be a valuable resource on typification. Qgroom (talk) 08:47, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

There exist examples of taxon pages with information on types, e.g. Espeletia killipii, which I did recently. --Franz Xaver (talk) 09:18, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
It is intended to include type information and type specimens to all taxon pages on Wikispecies (e.g. Salicornia cuscoensis). But Wikispecies needs more taxonomists, who will add those informations to the pages! --Thiotrix (talk) 09:25, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
I always try to include the Type locality & Holotype info when available in my species pages (see for example Trisinus shaolingiger). Mariusm (talk) 10:18, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
I try wherever possible to include type numbers and localities in my Cirripedia entries. These are good for my research work also. Finding primary type numbers can be seriously challenging. Types only came into existence about 1900, and until relatively recently, have been haphazard. In April, I decided I wanted catalog number for Lepas stenzeli Withers, 1953, allegedly held in Texas, for evaluation in my upcoming paper. Contacting them, I discovered they do not have that specimen, nor were they aware they were supposed to have it. I have access to Henryk Stenzel's correspondance, and discovered he had discussed with Withers on returning those specimens to Texas. Thinking maybe Withers had failed to return it, I contacted NHM. They promptly found it. After 81 years, it shall be returning to Texas this summer. For Darwin, there are only lectotype designations on species he described. For Megabalanus zebra, type locality in Darwin is a ship's hull. As this species is seriously invasive, to this day, its original distribution is uncertain. CETAF is very excellent project, and I wish US institutions would join in. For many cases, these collection websites may be our only source of type numbers and localities. Later publications can help, but in many cases, they simply copy original sources, mistakes and all. Neferkheperre (talk) 14:19, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
I think the most desirable attributes for a species are (1) Type locality (2) Distribution. An example for a typical catalogue entry is: Pella japonica Sharp, 1888: 290 TL: Bukenji, Distribution: Japan, Korea, far east Russia Where TL is type locality. Of course it's very desirable to include also the holotype (or lectotype/syntype). Mariusm (talk) 14:51, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
When possible types should be identified by their museum number and the institution they are from, the institution is usually a link to a page with more information on that institution. Some museums have online databases of their collection through which a link to any types they hold could be made. I think it would be better to link directly to the type at the institution holding it if possible, rather than through a third party. It is true the type is a crucial piece of information but to do anything with it if you interested in researching the group you need to examine it for yourself. Hence having information that can lead you to where the type is and its identification number is the most crucial piece of info on the type specimen. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 16:32, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
Just to be clear the CETAF Stable identifiers are links to the type holding institution. The main innovation has been to use URI redirection and a institutional commitment to stablility to encourage stability of these identifiers. From what you say there is no reason not to add type information, except the difficulties of finding it. Though I suspect there may be problems ensuring which name is associated with the type. For example, a type may be linked to the basionym, rather than the accepted name and this should be made clear. Qgroom (talk) 06:26, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Of course, a type should always refer to the name it typifies. That is no problem, see Salsola australis for an example. --Thiotrix (talk) 09:21, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Another example: Lacunaria jenmanii --Franz Xaver (talk) 14:07, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
The CETAF initiative creates "a joint Linked Open Data (LOD) compliant identifier system". The Wikimedia LOD project is Wikidata; therefore we should store this data in Wikidata, with an item for each type specimen, and from there transclude the URI and other data into Wikispecies, as we do for images from Commons. An unstructured, plain-text system like Wikispecies cannot function as a "central authority" in a LOD environment. Accordingly, I have proposed a new Wikidata property for these IDs. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:44, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Possible resources[edit]

These are of course quite dated, but seem like they might be useful to you people, at least for the references to original publications....

I've made at least a start at transcribing them over at Wikisource, and more are to come. (And yes, before anyone asks, they are PD). Jarnsax (talk) 14:50, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 19:45, 30 June 2018 (UTC).


Does any one know whether the pages ISSN 1070-0048 (i.e. Haseltonia) and Haseltonia: Yearbook of the Cactus and Succulent Journal refers to the same publication, hence should be merged? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 13:14, 9 July 2018 (UTC).

They are not the same, as there is a pre 1994 version with I guess the ISSN above. The new ISSN is 0007-9367. Cactus And Succulent Society Of America publishes two journals so it gets a bit complicated. Merge is not desirable, but a clean up is. Andyboorman (talk) 13:58, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I guess these are the pages involved:
Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:12, 9 July 2018 (UTC).

Malfunctioning Twitter bot[edit]

Don't know who maintains the bot on Twitter. It's been broken for quite some time posting "[following] [following]" instead of a link. OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:45, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

I maintain the official @Wikispecies Twitter account but unfortunately don't know who is responsible for the @Wikispeciesbot account mentioned above. It was created about a year earlier than @Wikispecies, most probably by a user in the Netherlands. On November 29, 2017 there was a tweet saying "Yep, working again. the wiki changed to https and forced me to change my script. Updated, working, for as long as nothing breaks again." Later that day the "[following] [following]" messages started, and they've been going on ever since, once or twice every day. In July 3, 2018 there suddenly was a tweet saying "matches matches" which indicates that someone is working with the code, but the "[following] [following]" started again just a day after. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 04:20, 10 July 2018 (UTC).

Are some Coreopsis now considered Leptosyne?[edit]

According to the Jepson Flora Project (citing Mort et al. 2004, Syst Bot 29:781–789; Strother 2006 FNANM 21:185–198, and others) the following formerly Coreopsis species have been reassigned to Leptosyne:

Section Leptosyne[edit]

Section Pugiopappus[edit]

Section Tuckermannia[edit]

See for example Keil, D.J. 2012 Leptosyne bigelovii, in Jepson Flora Project (eds.) Jepson eFlora,

What say ye, botanists, should our Coreopsis pages be updated and a Leptosyne page created? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 04:46, 10 July 2018 (UTC).

There is no consensus as to the acceptance of this segregation. Crawford et al. 2009. Coreopsideae in Funk et al. Systematics, Evolution, and Biogeography of Compositae prefer to maintain Coreopsis s.l. and this is followed by Hassler in COL, Tropicos and Kew's POWO. However, Global Compositae Checklist prefers segregation of some species above. A separate page for Leptosyne would be disputed. Andyboorman (talk) 11:05, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
So should we remove the "section" parts of our Coreopsis page, or leave it as it is? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 10:08, 15 July 2018 (UTC).
I would leave it for now. I have noticed there is only some agreement as to generic circumscriptions, as it is. The Sections seem to be useful to working botanists and more or less stable. Cheers Andyboorman (talk) 13:04, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Old synonyms from Pallas[edit]

Hello, new here (though a long-term Wikipedian / Wiktionarian). I'm thinking of adding some old synonyms from Peter Simon Pallas, many of which are still missing; e.g. Viverra lutra for Lutra lutra. This is probably of some wider interest, due to his Zoographia Rosso-Asiatica being an important early source for many animal names in Russian indigenous languages. For linguists who are not zoographically versed, it can be however difficult to figure out what animal exactly is being meant at various times. (Also, in case anyone is interested in collaborating, an index to his work has been compiled by Kecskeméti (1968).)

I think I can get the gist of the synonym conventions from the examples appearing here so far, but are there any notable style guidelines or possible pitfalls I should watch out for? --Tropylium (talk) 01:34, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Tropylium:, thanks for your interest. For a guide to the synonyms style we employ here, please see Help:Name_section#Synonyms_or_Synonymy. If you have any doubts, make an edit to a page and ask me for my opinion. Mariusm (talk) 07:44, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

What questions concerning the strategy process do you have?[edit]


I'm Tar Lócesilion, a Polish Wikipedia admin and a member of Wikimedia Polska. Last year, I worked for Wikimedia Foundation as a liaison between communities and the Movement Strategy core team. My task was to ensure that all online communities were aware of the movement-wide strategy discussion. This year, my task similar. Phase II of the strategy process was launched in April. Currently, future Working Groups members are being selected, and related pages on Meta-Wiki are being designed.

I’d like to learn what questions concerning the strategy process would you like to be answered on the FAQ page? Please answer here, on my talk page, or on a dedicated talk page on Meta-Wiki. Thanks!

If you have any questions or concerns, please, do ask!

Thanks, SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 18:22, 14 July 2018 (UTC)