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Newly named plants 2020[edit]

For botanists it will be worth looking through these publications cited on the RBG Kew website today. Andyboorman (talk) 10:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no pics in the public domain or am I reading this wrong? Andyboorman (talk) 16:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Some of the articles quoted in the page you give are with compatible free licenses, therefore some of the images can be uploaded into Wikimedia Commons if it is what you mean. Christian Ferrer (talk) 17:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
That would be great, thanks. Andyboorman (talk) 18:38, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm not proposing to do that myself, sorry. It was just a comment to say that it is possible to do it at least for some of the articles. I have a lot of things going on. Sorry again, Christian Ferrer (talk) 19:36, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
156 new plants vs. around 2800 new names registered by IPNI until now. What's your point, Andy? --Succu (talk) 20:49, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Not sure there is a "point". Seasons Greetings all. Andyboorman (talk) 21:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Victor Ivanovitsch Motschulsky[edit]

Would the correct English transliteration for the Russian entomologist Victor Ivanovitsch Motschulsky actually be "Victor Ivanovich Motschulsky"? That transliteration seems to be used in a review of a book about his life at least, though other sources give others such as "Viktor Ivanovich Mochulskiy" and "Victor Ivanovich Motschoulsky" which doesn't really help. Monster Iestyn (talk) 17:04, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Well, at least it's (mostly) internally consistent and uses the same transliteration for /ʧ/ for both words. Circeus (talk) 18:29, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
In the case of Motschulsky in particular, his last name is also commonly given as Motschoulsky, so there's no perfect option, really. Circeus (talk) 16:16, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Dianthera L. vs. Justicia L.[edit]

Hi folks, in the past (e.g. the treatment I had from GRIN in 2011), Dianthera L. appears as a synonym of Justicia L. (same in Wikispecies at present time); Kiel et al., 2018 (reference below) treat it as a section of Justicia. However Plants of the World Online (POWO) presently has Dianthera as an accepted genus ( with 41 accepted species, including (for example) Dianthera americana L., otherwise widely known as Justicia americana (e.g. on Wikipedia and Wikispecies at this time). Kiel et al., 2017 float a number of ways of splitting up Justicia along phylogenetic lines, one of which includes restoring Dianthera as a genus, but take no explicit action. POWO merely cites "Accepted by Govaerts, R. (2000). World Checklist of Seed Plants Database in ACCESS D: 1-30141." as its justification for treating Dianthera as an accepted genus.

Any thoughts as to which treatment is better for Wikispecies/-pedia/etc. at this time? (Or more recent refs if I have missed them?)

Refs cited: Kiel, C. A.; Daniel, T. F.; Darbyshire, I.; McDade, L. A. (2017). Unraveling relationships in the morphologically diverse and taxonomically challenging "justicioid" lineage (Acanthaceae: Justicieae). Taxon. 66(3): 645-674., available online at

Kiel, C. A.; Daniel, T. F.; McDade, L. A. (2018). Phylogenetics of New World 'justicioids' (Justicieae: Acanthaceae): major lineages, morphological patterns, and widespread incongruence with classification. Systematic Botany. 43(2): 459-484., available online at

Regards - Tony Rees Tony 1212 (talk) 18:38, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Tony 1212:. Please do not take the WS article as definitive. It has not been reviewed by a taxonomist and the last major changes were made by a very well meaning editor who has simply followed one secondary source over others. In this case Hassler's World Plants and not PWO. The references you cite indicate that the genus Justicia is polyphyletic although there is monophyly in the justicioids as a group and this always indicates work in progress! My conclusion is that any circumscriptions within the justicioids are taxonomic opinions as we stand. I can not find any later papers that offer an updated classification of this group, although there is this Da Costa-Lima, J.L. & Chagas, E.C.D.O. 2019. A revision of Harpochilus sheds light on new combinations under Justicia (Acanthaceae). Phytotaxa 393(2): 119-130. DOI: 10.11646/phytotaxa.393.2.3, which transfers a couple of combinations into Justicia and there is a steady stream of papers making new combinations in this genus. Local floras in the Americas still seem to prefer subsuming Dianthera into Justicia, as seen on VPA. I would advise taking a conservative approach for now and leave the two genera in synonymy until more evidence is published. Best regards Andyboorman (talk) 19:50, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
I just looked in CoL, they have Justicia americana as an accepted name, with Dianthera americana L. as synonym, with the record sourced from "World Plants: Synonymic Checklists of the Vascular Plants of the World", version Sep 2020, so obviously this conflicts with POWO at this time. Tony 1212 (talk) 05:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
This situation is rare but not that unusual for example - is a Dryandra a Banksia? Is still debated in Australia, but gradually the two are being treated as congeneric in favour of Banksia. It took years, several acrimonious debates and a binding decision at the Melbourne International Botanical Congress in 2011 to resolve the controversy surrounding Acacia s.s. and related genera. The WP article is a good summary. WS cannot take a side favouring one taxonomic opinion over another, as that would be OR, but is able to highlight the problem through its disputed tag along with a brief explanation on the taxon page and more detail on the Discussion Page. In this case there should be a page for both Dianthera L. and Justicia L., in my opinion. Clearly there will be changes in this whole group, but who knows when, in what direction and of course it would be simpler if the secondary sources agreed. Yes, WS has some fuzzy solutions as well, for example Muscari and Cupressus s.l., where we are an online secondary source that is a bit on a limb. Hope this helps. Andyboorman (talk) 20:54, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Another more recent case is the synonymy of Lavatera under Malva with Malva having priority. PWO and Hassler both agree, so WS ought to follow? Not all people will be happy. I can provide some reference, but this has come about by treating the Malva alliance as now bigeneric - Malva and Malope. Thoughts? Andyboorman (talk) 16:00, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

New milestone: 750,000 articles[edit]

Today (with the beetle species Stathmodera lineata), Wikispecies reached 750,000 articles. Thank you to all editors of Wikispecies for their collaborative and constructive work! --Thiotrix (talk) 10:15, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Congrats to all of us!--Hector Bottai (talk) 16:22, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Journal für Ornithologie after 1922[edit]

BHL on-line reference goes until 1922 year 70. Does somebody know where to find online open access after that year? I find all editions and articles at Springer, but they are closed access.--Hector Bottai (talk) 16:28, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

To be honest, you're probably out of luck unless you want to try Sci-Hub (legal issues and controversy aside). Monster Iestyn (talk) 19:41, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
If you put individual article titles, etc. into Google Scholar ( you can sometimes find links to individual articles online elsewhere than the publisher's site, for example if they have been deposited in an institutional repository or on Researchgate or similar by the authors (e.g. if they are more recent ones). Regards - Tony Rees Tony 1212 (talk) 21:16, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Template:Taxa authored and Template:Taxa authored 2 must be merged[edit]

we must to merge {{Taxa authored}} {{Taxa authored 2}}. New users are confused. I know that after merging some articles have manually created duplicate row Taxon names authored. But the earlier we merge, the better for Wikispecies community and especially for new users--Estopedist1 (talk) 11:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Symbol support vote.svg Support Seems sensible to me. Andyboorman (talk) 13:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support Burmeister (talk) 13:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support yes do it. Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 13:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support ReneeWrites (talk) 13:53, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support Though mind that there are still pages that translude the former template or one of its redirects (Template:Taxa, Template:Authored taxa and Template:Taxa Authored). Monster Iestyn (talk) 15:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support I have been upgrading to {{Taxa authored 2}} whenever I encounter the situation during citation creation. Neferkheperre (talk) 13:38, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support {{Taxa authored 2}} is good. Christian Ferrer (talk) 17:35, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support {{Taxa authored 2}} fine.--Hector Bottai (talk) 23:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support: please always use {{Taxa authored 2}} and get rid of all other formats. --Thiotrix (talk) 07:42, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support {{Taxa authored 2}} I use this every time because you find it in Wikispecies tools and nothing else. PeterR (talk) 13:15, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


Here is (some of the) prior discussion:

And, yes, they should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

the result is obvious here. Now, we have to copy syntax of {{Taxa authored 2}} and paste it to {{Taxa authored}}. After that, we accept only one format: {{Taxa authored}}--Estopedist1 (talk) 08:45, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Any update on this? Currently we have a mix of pages using {{Taxa authored}} using the old way, {{Taxa authored 2}} using the current Help page standards, and increasingly a number of pages using {{Taxa authored}} in the same way as 2 assuming this merge will happen, which is making everything rather messy. Monster Iestyn (talk) 16:49, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
@Monster Iestyn and Pigsonthewing: OK, {{Taxa authored}} is substituted by {{Taxa authored 2}}. Now, there are several tasks to do. Some of them are only for admins, like fixing MediaWiki:Edittools--Estopedist1 (talk) 17:21, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
MediaWiki:Edittools done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:37, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
if new system (ie we only use {{Taxa authored}}) stays stable, then we have two problems: (1) double text in authority articles which have {{Taxa}} (about 10,000 articles); (2) documentation of tl:Taxa authored needs to be updated--Estopedist1 (talk) 20:13, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
(restored) @Estopedist1 and Andy Mabbett: Just wanted to notify you I am fixing number (1), as most people appear to prefer keeping the section heading in the template. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 21:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I've noticed you're keeping the old {{Taxa}} uses though, we use the {{Taxa authored}} name as standard. Monster Iestyn (talk) 22:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, I will start standardising the title when I get back to this task. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 22:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
The task is done. Still, there are about 1300 pages where the full section is entered manually and the template should be used instead. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 20:10, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Okay, I've replaced them by the {{Taxa authored}} template. The rest search results use non-standard formatting, I've kept them but internationalised the section title where needed. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 13:58, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: oops, fix ping. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 14:02, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Template:Gryllacridinae adds non-standard category[edit]

The Template:Gryllacridinae adds a Category:Gryllacridinae to all pages and many subpages. Categories for taxonavigation are not standard in Wikispecies. I propose to delete the category from the template. Other editors already begin follow this style adding unusual categories like Category:Ensifera genera. --Thiotrix (talk) 12:42, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Front page needs maintenance[edit]

We had a redlink for two weeks while Template:Species-2021-01 was blank. I've just copied over the content from Template:Species-2020-01 which is a stop gap. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:41, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

On the number of viruses[edit]

There may be trillions of species of virus in the world. Of them, a few hundred thousand kinds are known, and fewer than 7,000 have names.Justin (koavf)TCM 05:41, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

How many plant species are here?[edit]

Is there a way how to get the number of plant species on this site (articles in this category)? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 2a02:8308:a180:6400:e9d2:c3bb:c07:5a3 (talkcontribs).