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Shûhei Nomura[edit]

Apparently there are two Japanese entomologists named Shûhei Nomura: who born in 1962 (who worked since 80's), and one who was active at least since 1951 (authored Nipponaphodius gotoi). There are many species described in the 60's and early 70's by "S. Nomura". In Wikispecies they are combining as if it were the same person. --Metrónomo (talk) 00:18, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

The linked article's earliest paper is dated 1972, so is most likely written by the second of those people, unless the first was a child prodigy. If it helps the person referred to by Zoobank ID 7D7B230B-D2CF-4AEE-AA58-AF1BEB8278C9 has a doctorate, which may help to disambiguate them from the other (unless, of course, Zoobank conflates the two IDs). What fun! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:08, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
@PeterR:, who created and developed the Shûhei Nomura page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:12, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

I've made the original page a disambiguation, moved the 1962-born person to Shûhei Nomura (II) and created Shûhei Nomura (I) for the earlier person. Please check and clean up the contents of both new pages, and those that link to them. VIAF 2029148390826610830001 may refer to the earlier person. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:28, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

I also asked about this on the Taxacom mailing list, where there have been several helpful replies, including one saying that the earlier person was not called Shuhei Nomura, but Shizumu Nomura. The latter name occurs on this work about beetles, and is transliterated as "Sizumu" on this page and our own Paederus formosanus. See also page 8 of this PDF, which uses both spellings. Accordingly, I've moved/ retitled all the relevant pages and links. Again, please check. Inparticular which author abbreviaton's) apply?Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:01, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Wow, thank you Andy Mabbett. I find that Maladera yaeyamana was first-time described by S. Nomura in Some New Species of the Coleoptera from Loochoo Islands and its Adjacent Regions, The Entomological Review of Japan 15(2):37-42 as Maladera kamiyai yaeyamana (ref). What is the correct way to incorporate this information? I am newbie in Wikispecies. There are 17024 reserchers called "Nomura" (not all are taxonomists) but none "Shizumo Nomura" or "Sizumo Nomura". It is possible because he signed as "S. Nomura" and his papers are separated instead of identified as being made by the same author. Identify them is very difficult... --Metrónomo (talk) 18:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
I've linked Nomura's name to our page about him in this edit, without otherwise changing the existing page content. Whether that content is correct I'll leave to others. Shizumo Nomura is in CiNii; see this entry; and this entry for one of his papers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:54, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Ah, now I see. I wanted for "Shizumo" but not "Shizumu" (d:Q47393070). Searching for "Shizumu Nomura" I find more info, such as Formophora arisana, Formophora karenkonis and Hosophora nomurella were descripted by Shonen Matsumura on 40's based in specimens collected by Shizumu Nomura in Mount Ari on 8-10 June 1938 (Type specimens of Matsumura's species of Cercopoidea in the Hokkaido University Insect Collection, Japan (Homoptera: Auchenorrhyncha)) ("Shizumu+Nomura"&btnG= and a bit more). --Metrónomo (talk) 19:38, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
FYI, I added Japanese script to Shizumu Nomura. Wish we could apply Nihongo template as in enwiki. --Omotecho (talk) 16:27, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
@Omotecho: Wish granted: {{Nihongo}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:35, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Oh, thank you, appreciated! Might use it soon if adding non-Latin script to person name be helpful. --Omotecho (talk) 16:45, 2 March 2018 (UTC) 16:43, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Birth/death dates and multilingualism[edit]

We have many birth or death dates given in full (e.g. Achille Guénée, "January 1, 1809 – December 30, 1880"; see also dates including January, February).

These dates are obviously in English.

It is my understanding that we should use years only ("1809–1880"). Is that correct? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:41, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Better would be ISO dates: (1809-01-01/1880-12-30) or 1809-01-01 – 1880-12-30). —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:23, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
If we do want to show full dates, then that is certainly the most accessible form, in a multi-lingual sense. However, as I said, my understanding is that we should only show years (see Carolus Linnaeus, for example) and I'm seeking clarity on that point. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:38, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Not allowing days means we will not be able to have, say, "entomologists of the day" on the anniversary of their birthdays or mourn them on the anniversary of their deaths. Just saying. DCDuring (talk) 04:45, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
We can do that with a Wikidata query. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Template:Userpage in french user page[edit]

Hello everyone,

I set this template in my user page after translating it. But in my page, the template is in english, but I am french and I don't know how to set this template to french.

Cordially. --Niridya (talk) 21:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

F.Y. Bai‏‎[edit]

Our "most wanted" author page is F.Y. Bai‏‎, a red link to which 125 other pages link; many (but not all?) as a result of Liu, X.Z. et al. (2015) Towards an integrated phylogenetic classification of the Tremellomycetes. Studies in Mycology 81: 85–147. doi: 10.1016/j.simyco.2015.12.001.

Does anyone know who they are? Are we sure that all the links refer to one person? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:36, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

It's Dr. Feng-Yan Bai as far as I am aware. Voganaa (talk) 08:46, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
I've created an author page for Feng-Yan Bai, including a category for named taxa, and added him to Catalog:Taxon Authorities/B. I've also added the Wikispecies page to the equivalent Wikidata item (Q47113492). –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 13:21, 21 February 2018 (UTC).

Thank you, both, can we now do the same for X.Z. Liu (97 inbound links; primary author on the same citation)? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Seems to be Xin-Zhan Liu. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:41, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


On Wikipedia and Commons, I make extensive use of HotCat. If no-one objects, I'd like to add it to this project, too. Does anyone know how to go about that? It's a gadget, and the code is at mw:MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:53, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't know how to implement HotCat in Wikispecies, but I'm all for adding it. It is a quick, helpful, and fairly easy to use feature. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 23:53, 21 February 2018 (UTC).
Support. I have admin rights in and I know how to implement scripts. To implement HotCat first create MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js. After that, you need to edit MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition, create a new section (for example, "categories") and add the following:
After doing all of these things, you need to create MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat with a description, for example: "HotCat, easily add / remove / change a category on a page, with name suggestion [example]". After doing that, the gadget will appear in preferences and can be used. --Stïnger (会話) 00:22, 22 February 2018 (UTC).
Thank you. I've done all that, and it seems to be working. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:46, 22 February 2018 (UTC)


I've merged {{IncList}} into {{Inc}}, to render as:

(List may be incomplete)

and requested that the latter template be marked up for translation. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:17, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Marked for translation as well. --Stïnger (会話) 01:06, 22 February 2018 (UTC).

Lithosiini incertae sedis[edit]

[[Lithosiini incertae sedis]] was deleted in November 2014 by Stho002 (who is now blocked), with the edit summary "Incorrectly named". However there are still sixty-four pages linking to it, largely through {{Lithosiini incertae sedis}}. Should it be recreated, redirected, or should those pages/ the template be updated? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:50, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Stho002 and some others did not like the term incertae sedis as a taxonomic entity and so felt that it did not deserve a discrete taxon page. Their solution was to link to the tribe. For example, Macrobrochis would link to Lithosiini without a subtribe, but in this case Macrobrochis does not appear in the list of "genera not assigned to a tribe". Lots of tidying up I guess. Personally I am happy with an incertae sedis taxon page, but I was out voted. So I would suggest that the pages need updating with the most current information and the genera not assigned to a subtribe being added to the tribe with the list "Overview of genera not assigned to a sub-tribus" amended. Andyboorman (talk) 20:23, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
There is no need for a separate heading "Overview of genera not assigned to a sub-tribus", the genera incertae sedis can just be listed alphabetically with the other genera under "Overview of genera". The fact that they are not assigned to a subtribe will be self evident from each genus page, which will link directly to tribe. There is no useful purpose in being able to see at a glance all the unassigned genera in a group ... WSBiography (talk) 20:28, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi @WSBiography: actually there are taxonomic reasons for quickly seeing genera or species that fall outside the accepted classifications. Andyboorman (talk) 15:12, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
We actually had already a pump discussion on incertae sedis and decided not to use xxx incertae sedis dedicated pages. What WSBiography says, makes perfect sense to me. Another option is to make a "===" section named incertae sedis within the tribus page. Making a separate page is an unnecessary overkill. I've fixed the template {{Lithosiini incertae sedis}} issue. Mariusm (talk) 15:37, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. However, the page still has 64 inbound links. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:45, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: I'll sort them out tonight (I seldom sleep anyway... :) Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 21:16, 24 February 2018 (UTC).

...and thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:07, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
With the exception of the links in this Village Pump thread the {{Lithosiini incertae sedis}} template is now unused, and therefore deleted. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 01:41, 25 February 2018 (UTC).

We have a similar issue with [[Incertae Sedis (Cosmopterigidae)‏‎]], which has 53 inbound links. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:07, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Resolved. See Special:WhatLinksHere/Incertae Sedis (Cosmopterigidae). –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 11:05, 25 February 2018 (UTC).

Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:35, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:35, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

'Taxa authored' templates[edit]

Can we merge {{Taxa authored}} and {{Taxa authored 2}}? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:39, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

If we merge the two templates, then we need to replace the links at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Taxa authored 2 by 'Taxa authored'. In general I prefer that the template 'Taxa authored 2' should be deleted, [imo] is redundant with the other template. 'Taxa authored' (without the 2) contains full documentation than 'Taxa authored 2'. --Stïnger (会話) 14:59, 23 February 2018 (UTC).
We can use a redirect instead of replacement. The '2 version of the template includes multi-lingual headings, which should, perhaps, be copied across to the original Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:37, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Ah, I have recently seen that. Well, then a merge could be useful. The template {{TranslateThis}} will be used in 'Taxa authored' if the templates were merged. Support. --Stïnger (会話) 17:15, 23 February 2018 (UTC).

Now I remember: {{Taxa authored 2}} includes the H2 heading, so we probably need a bot to do the replacements. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:31, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Personally I would very much prefer if we could find a solution that uses true wiki code instead of HTML à la <h2>, and that goes for both the above templates and for {{Publications}}. The HTML solution removes the "edit" links for the respective sections, which I think is a bad thing. But if it can't be done, I guess it can't be done..? Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 03:08, 4 March 2018 (UTC).
A 'wikicode' edit link would open the template for editing, not the page section. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:34, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes I know, and it also makes it a lot harder to add translations to the headings (please see Localization, Template Int on my talk page). Still, it's a shame that the "edit" links disappear and that we have to propitiate with the HTML standard rather than use Wikimedia's own. However in this case perhaps the <h2> fix is the least bad of two so-so ways to go. Both solutions have their merits, as well as drawbacks. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 12:45, 4 March 2018 (UTC).
{{Publications}} never worked properly, and it was very difficult to add publications unless there were year subdivisions. {{Taxa authored 2}} works and I have been converting author pages to it. This is our latest agreed-upon format. Neferkheperre (talk) 14:34, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
I agree, however the {{Taxa authored 2}} template suffer from some of the same shortcomings as the {{Publications}} ditto, in that for some elements it employ non-wiki standard <h2> HTML tags instead of proper wikicode. As a result we have to do without the edit links for those two sections. This inconsistency isn't particularly user friendly. Especially new editors may wonder why there are edits links for all "Name", "Synonyms", "References" and "Vernacular names" sections on pages, but not for the "Taxon names authored" and (some) "Publications" sections. By the way thanks to edits by Andy Mabbett the Publications template now works better than it used to. Regardless of this the templates documentation still says that it shouldn't be used, but whether we like it or not it's still in use on 1.816 pages. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 02:35, 5 March 2018 (UTC).
Please also note that adding =={{int:Publications}}== works very well, and includes the edit link. Here the curly brackets are for the "int:" magic word for internationalisation, hence despite looking deceivingly similar the code string doesn't involve the {{Publications}} template at all. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 16:31, 5 March 2018 (UTC).

Special:Wanted pages[edit]

I've been working to clear Special:WantedCategories and Special:WantedTemplates. Does anyone know when those pages get refreshed, or how to force them to do so? I'm expecting a significant number of changes in the next reports. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:40, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

It refreshes automatically when a page/category/template is recently deleted (and that is linked to other existent page) or a user is linking an inexistent page to an existent article. Some red links are useful (for example, various red links in the page Mecyclothorax) because the links can be used to create a new article. We should clear also Category:Pages with broken file links, various (main namespaces are important) pages contains broken files. --Stïnger (会話) 17:35, 23 February 2018 (UTC).
Red links are indeed useful; one of the ways I'm clearing the categories is to create the missing articles, templates or categories! I've now cleared most of the entries in Category:Pages with broken file links. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:28, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Both of the 'Special:Wanted' pages mentioned in my OP have now been updated. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:21, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing, Stïnger: Do you happen to know how often the pages Special:WantedCategories, Special:WantedFiles, Special:WantedPages and Special:WantedTemplates are purged/updated? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 21:11, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
I am testing (cf. User:Stïnger/test) if it updates once a day or not, it seems all (exept 'WantedPages') have a note: «The following data is cached, and was last updated 23:16, 23 February 2018». I guess can be that. I'll wait if updated again. --Stïnger (会話) 22:29, 24 February 2018 (UTC).
I run user:KoehlBot for removing link brackets [[New Zealand]] from red linked New Zealand on 4,603 pages, as well as removing numerous "etc.". Changing capital S into lower case on word Species, unless Species starts a sentence, or comes after a * or after a =. Dan Koehl (talk) 23:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
4,600 pages corrected, and now theres no links left to [[New Zealand]], except for 3 pages one which is on an active users talkpage archive, and two which are in the village pump archive. Dan Koehl (talk) 23:58, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Good work, thank you. I have applied "nowiki" tags to the links on those last three pages. When Special:WantedPages eventually refreshes, we should see a good number of resolved issues remmoved from it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:22, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Special:WantedPages has just been updated. Now, the two most-wanted are Archelosauria‏‎ (881 inbound links) and Testudinata‏‎ (880 links). A version of the latter was deleted in 15 December 2015, by User:Murma174. Both are divisions of Diapsida, a sub-class of Reptilia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:32, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Red or Black Pacu on the picture?[edit]

Discussion about the picture on Piaractus brachypomus (here, and other projects like enwp) at en:Talk:Piaractus brachypomus. Commments are appreciated. Dan Koehl (talk) 23:06, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

I've added a note to the talk page of the Commons file: Colossoma-brachypomus.jpg. Nothing much, and I can't help out with the identification – the tetras I have knowledge about generally weigh a lot less than 25 kilograms (55 lb) :-) Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 04:47, 5 March 2018 (UTC).

Multi-lingual templates for occupations[edit]

In order to increase the accessibility of Wikispecies to non-English speakers, I propose to adopt the use of templates for occupations.

For example, instead of writing:


we would wrote:


as, for example, in this edit.

This calls {{Arachnologist}}, where the name has already been marked up in over 30 languages. Also, Category:Arachnologists is applied automatically.

Optionally, we could call the label from Wikidata, thereby saving the need to add local translations. The Wikidata item "arachnocologist", Q17344952, (again, for example) already has labels in the same 30+ languages. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:01, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea to me. DCDuring (talk) 22:23, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
Support, Special:Search/arachnologist could help also. I have a script imported globally (en:User:Joeytje50/JWB) and is very useful (and similar to AWB, but more simple) but it requires the user must appear in Project:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage. I think this script can help, various pages need to use the new template and serves to edit articles efficiently. --Stïnger (会話) 00:19, 26 February 2018 (UTC).
100% support. We should convert bios into templates anyway. —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:25, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Support this initiative, but not sure about usages such as: {{Subtribus}} or even {{Genus}}. IMO these Latin taxon categories are almost universally agreed as language independent. What do others think? Andyboorman (talk) 18:47, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
As noted in both the section heading, and my opening sentence, this proposal is for occupations. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:17, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Fair enough and I can read, but editors are extending this so my point is valid. Perhaps you may wish to create another discussion thread? Andyboorman (talk) 21:14, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
"editors are extending this" Where, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:27, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Sorry should have given an example such as Salviinae or Salvia. Cheers Andyboorman (talk) 21:35, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

I have now created {{Botanist}}, which calls the labels directly from Wikidata. Can people whose settings use languages other than English (and especially not-western charcters) please check its use, on Ruth Ainsworth? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:09, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

The occupations' templates looks good (although I've only checked them using the Latin, Nordic and German language settings). In my opinion the "taxon rank" templates should be deleted, but as Andy Boorman points out that is perhaps best discussed in a thread of its own. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 14:34, 1 March 2018 (UTC).

It seems, that {{arachnologist}} fulfills the same task as {{int:arachnologist}}. We should not create unnecessary redundancies. Anyway, by this attempt to be multi-lingual, there is high risk to create ugly combinations of mixed language. The page Benedikt Mandl using {{int:zoologist}} may be an example: If you have German in your preferences, this reads "Austrian Zoologe", where it should be "Österreichischer Zoologe". With Spanish preferences it is "Austrian Zoólogo", where it should be "Zoólogo austriaco". In my opinion, such kind of multi-lingualism should not be used in places, where it creates a mix of words in different languages and with spoiled grammar: There exist languages, where an adjective comes before the noun, and others, where it comes after. There exist languages, where there are specific female variants and where an adjective must be adjusted to the gender of the noun, e.g. "Deutscher Zoologe" (male) vs. "Deutsche Zoologin" (female), where in English there is only "German zoologist" for both. --Franz Xaver (talk) 13:44, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I agree with @Franz Xaver:'s concerns here. In particular with the issues of ending up with mixed langauage pages and gender issues. Do remember some people do read their own pages to see whats on them. If you do this I would definitely suggest do not enable it to do any language we do not have translators for. Cheers, Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 15:48, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
I would expect that, in due course, we would do the equivalent for nationalities. In the case of nationality + occupation, the could be separated by, say, a semi:colon, so the results would be "Österreichischer; Zoologe" or "austriaco; zoólogo". I certainly think that is better than presenting monolingual text to a multi-lingual readership. Alternatively, we could render the mater moot by standardising on {{Biography}}, and presenting those values on separate lines, with labels, as we do for, for example, "Alias:" and "Botanist name abbreviation:" on Dimitrios Phitos. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:34, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
"Österreichischer; Zoologe" is grammatically wrong and bad, even with the semicolon. This is better solved in two separate lines: "Zoologe. Österreich." In my opinion, we should use a new and shorter form of {{Biography}}
with a line for gender (male, female, unknown)
with the possibility to add more than one role (some of our authors are naturalist, botanist, lichenologist, mycologist, and ornithologist)
without the database links that come now from authority control, these are better at the end of the authors page. --Thiotrix (talk) 10:11, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Consistancy across Wikipedia nomenclatural platforms[edit]

For instance: Wikipedia: Roccellaceae includes genus Opegrapha & — The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 19:03, 2 March 2018‎.

Editing News #1—2018[edit]

20:56, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

External link error at Wikispecies:Templates[edit]

In the translation source for [this paragraph in Wikispecies:Templates, two external links hit errors:

  • Error message at Mammalian Species Index says "You don't have permission to access /departments/Biology/VHAYSSEN/msi/default.html on this server."
  • Link to EMBL is rot here. --Omotecho (talk) 18:45, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Please test pings in edit summary[edit]

1. Read this:

"You can notify users in edit summaries. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. phab:T32750"-- meta:Tech/News/2018/10

2. Sign up at (English Wikipedia at Beta Cluster) using a different user name and password (not the one you use here). You may create multiple accounts if you like, just put a note on their user pages.

3. Edit a page and put a username link in edit summary. Confirm that you are receiving the notification correctly.

4. Test at different pages and in different ways. Try it at sister wikis on the the Beta Cluster as well.

5. Report bugs to Phabricator.

6. Share this comment with other people on other wikis, in different languages.

--Gryllida (talk) 23:58, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation or not?[edit]

Hi I just created a page for Walter G. Joyce and not that on this search we get a number of extra hits but its first names not last names. Would you still prefer a dissambiguation page under the circumstances? Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 01:40, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Definitely no!--Hector Bottai (talk) 01:57, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
yes what I was thinking but thought I would ask. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 18:18, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
I agree: definitely not! Just think about author names such as Volker John. The disambiguation pages would run on for mile after mile... :-) Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 18:41, 9 March 2018 (UTC).
Yes, I asked because his last name got caught up with all the first names, but what you and Hector said was my view too, I just wanted to check. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 18:46, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Translating taxonomic ranks into local languages.[edit]

Apparently adding {{}} around a taxon rank enabled it to be translated as an example see here I am not familiar with this procedure. Can somebody confirm that it is suitable and works. In the example does the use of {{Tribus}} affect all occurrences of the word Tribus or just in the template? However, more importantly, do we want and/or need this on WS? I understand that we use Latin names for taxonomic ranks precisely because this is local language independent. Persoanlly I think it renders the site less scientific in look and feel if these taxonomic ranks appear not in the Latin but in the local language. This is just my opinion and so I wish to open this up to wider discussion seeking consensus and guidance. Andyboorman (talk) 14:30, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Links to Wikipedia[edit]

I'm a newcomer to Wikispecies, having mainly been editing Wikiquote in the past. I've noticed that most articles here do not include a link to Wikipedia. This is contrary to the standard practice on Wikiquote. Does Wikispecies have an official policy regarding Wikipedia links, or is it just a matter of habit? (By "link to Wikipedia" I am referring to this;

Wikipedia For more information, look at Village Pump on Wikipedia.

Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 01:14, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Welcome here. I am not sure I understand what you mean, but all the articles are linked to ALL the Wikipedias where the same article exists, through Wikidata. For example see Tyrannidae linked to more than 30 other wikis. --Hector Bottai (talk) 02:19, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
@Just A Regular New Yorker: Hector Bottai is correct: links to available, equivalent pages on all language versions of Wikipedia can be found in the left-hand side menu section called "In Wikipedia". (You will also find those links here at the Village Pump: simply look to the left :) This is way better than using the {{Wikipedia}} template, which is language specific and always only links to the English version of Wikipedia. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 16:34, 12 March 2018 (UTC).

Vernon Antoine Brou Jr.[edit]

We need to merge Vernon Antoine Brou and Vernon Antoine Brou Jr., and to do the same for the associated categories. Which form of name is preferred on Wikispecies - with or without the suffix? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:28, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

There's even a third page: Vernon Antoine Brou Jr (not ending with a full stop). Their Wikidata equivalents are Q21339609 ("Vernon Antoine Brou"), Q25796389 ("Vernon Antoine Brou Jr.") and Q21394286 ("Vernon Antoine Brou Jr"). The form without "Jr." is preferred by BHL with a 9:1 ratio. Regardless of that I recommend we stick with the "Jr." form in order to lessen the risk for Wikidata mixups in the case there is a future Wikimedia page created about his father, U.S. Navy veteran Vernon Antoine Brou. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 17:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC).
Thanks. I've made the merges, here and on Wikidata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:29, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I've added the publications + authored taxa that were listed on the now deleted pages, to the remaining main page Vernon Antoine Brou Jr.Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 19:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC).

Template help collapsible citation[edit]

Heya everyone,

been making this template: Template:Thomson etal 2018 which is a rather large authorship paper, 184 authors, hence I was hoping to make it appear as a citation the way the journal has recommended here, that is:

  • Thomson SA, Pyle RL, Ahyong ST, Alonso-Zarazaga M, Ammirati J, Araya JF, et al. (2018) Taxonomy based on science is necessary for global conservation. PLoS Biol 16(3): e2005075.

However I am hoping to have the template also permit people to see al the authors since many of them are taxonomic authorities and hence have pages here. Hence why I am slowly editing this template I am linking all authors to their respective pages. Any suggestions on how to make it look like above with some sort of internal link that will show all authors would be helpful, on ResearchGate here it has a link in the author list, short form, that says show all 184 authors allowing it to expand for those interested. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 19:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Done, in this edit. The template now renders as:

but all names are shown on the template page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:14, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Also, moved to {{Thomson et al., 2018}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:16, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
And now in Wikidata, too: Q50702912. Interestingly, only three of the authors seem to have included the paper (or, at least, its DOI) in their ORCID profiles. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:26, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Category:Extint or fossil species[edit]

I used this category for the first time. Doesn't look to me appropriate or at least, useful, to join under the same category a fossil extint millions of years ago with a known, described species, recently extint. There are only 110 pages under the category and should not be very difficult to split. But this is only my opinion. --Hector Bottai (talk) 23:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Jesus Romero Napoles taxa[edit]

An IP manually added a list of taxa to Jesus Romero Napoles. I've moved them to the article's talk page, in case anyone is interested in working on them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:10, 20 March 2018 (UTC)