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Template:Mueller, 1876

Hello Tommy Kronkvist, can you please emend this template (that you created) for the whole Volume 10 of Fragmenta Phytographiae Australiae? Now it is just for one single page of it. I think it is needed several times. Thank you, --Thiotrix (talk) 15:20, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello Thiotrix. Sure thing! Unfortunately I don't have time to do it tonight, but I will fix it tomorrow and send you a note when an updated version of the template is available. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 17:44, 1 March 2017 (UTC).

@Thiotrix: The template is now updated in several ways, see {{Mueller, 1876–1877}}. For an example of how it is used, please see Melaleuca leiocarpa. The old template {{Mueller, 1876}} has been deleted. Regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 12:38, 2 March 2017 (UTC).

It works fine, especially setting a link to BHL is a nice extra! By the way, where do I find those issue numbers at BHL? Thanks. --Thiotrix (talk) 15:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

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Hello again Gabriele/@Thiotrix: and please excuse my very late reply. As far as I know there is no shortcut to finding the issue numbers other than simply reading through the documents. For example {{Mueller, 1876–1877|83|55}} (used on Melaleuca leiocarpa) will render this link to BHL. There the page number 55 is shown on the top of the document, in the main window. It is also listed in the left "Pages" menu, but please note that the numbers given there are not always the actual page numbers of the issue – that can differ depending on BHL document layout etc. Hence be sure to always use the page number shown in the in the main window instead, i.e. in the actual document. Anyway, using the mouse or arrow keys to step back through the document in the left "Pages" menu one will soon end up on the issue's first page. In this case page 49 of the BHL document. Listed in the main window you will see "LXXXIII", i.e. issue 83. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 11:27, 19 March 2017 (UTC).

Autopatrol template

Hi, do you use a template for edits like this? If so, which, please? If not, I'm minded to make one. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:56, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Andy. The {{Autopatrolled}} template can be used for this. In my opinion the template is in need of a brush-up, but I haven't got around to it yet. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 12:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC).

That's handy. Thanks. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:46, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Date fix

Thanks for this. I did, in fact make an ISO date with "month 17". —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:39, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome. Failing to spot an occasional typo is only human. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 23:19, 9 March 2017 (UTC).

Grotea

Can you add individual species of Grotea like G. anguina – and G. californica –? 2601:5CB:C101:CBF0:2043:B94F:6031:B5A3 04:13, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Certainly. I've added all 19 species. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 04:38, 19 April 2017 (UTC).

RE: Hippasella arapensis

Hi, Tommy, it's a mistake. I correct. Best regards, --Eumolpo (talk) 03:32, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Tommy Kronkvist, 05:58, 4 May 2017 (UTC).

And what policy would that be?

(This discussion started here.)

Varlaam (talk) 18:29, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

A policy that says that dictatorial actions by sysops may never be discussed?

Varlaam (talk) 18:31, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Well. What a big surprise.

I have 2 x as many edits as you.

Varlaam (talk) 18:33, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Why don't you ask Justin about editors being blocked for inadequate reasons.`

You wouldn't know about that because you only have 60K edits.

Varlaam (talk) 18:36, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

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@Varlaam: That would be this policy: Wikispecies:Policy. Among other things the policy states that all users should "try to discourage others from being uncivil, and be careful to avoid offending people unintentionally" and "not make personal attacks anywhere in Wikispecies. Comment on content, not on the contributor". Calling fellow users for "assholes" (as you did here) or "little Mussolinis" (as you did here) is without a doubt a breach of said Wikispecies policy, and further such attacks will most likely get you blocked, in the same way as you are already blocked on the English Wikipedia (indefinitely, for edit warring, personal attacks, false claims of vandalism, and refusal to discuss), the Swedish Wikipedia (until June 5, for insults) and the Danish Wikipedia (until June 6, for unacceptable behavior). If you refrain from such behavior you are of course very welcome to continue editing. –Tommy Kronkvist 10:20, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Varlaam is now blocked, indefinitely. Please see their talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:11, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Noted. –Tommy Kronkvist, 18:20, 10 May 2017 (UTC).

Aaron Bauer

Thank you. I have combined both pages into Aaron M. Bauer, as most complete name, and caught up taxon category. Neferkheperre (talk) 21:08, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

@Neferkheperre: Yes, I saw that. The reason I chose to make Aaron M. Bauer a redirect page and Aaron Bauer the main page, is that way more pages are linked to "Aaron Bauer" than to "Aaron M. Bauer". Only a handful of pages had links to the latter: three templates plus Burmeister's talk page and the A.M. Bauer redirect page. After making "Aaron Bauer" the main page I corrected the links in the templates, so only the "A.M. Bauer" page and @Burmeister:'s talk page contained redirects – and two redirects isn't that much.

As a result of your decision to switch this and make "Aaron M. Bauer" the main page, instead of having those two pages linking to the main using redirects, we now have 90 pages linking via a redirect page. That aside, as you say "Aaron M. Bauer" is the most complete name and because of that I do agree that it should take precedence over "Aaron Bauer" – but preferably without the many redirects. I guess the best solution would be to dub Aaron Matthew Bauer the main page (since it is the "completest" name) and then change all links to go there, but I for one is not up to changing some +100 author links simply because it looks better... :-) Then again maybe that part can be easily done with AWB, which I hear is popular these days... In any event, thanks for your great work around here. –Tommy Kronkvist, 22:47, 18 May 2017 (UTC).

Template translation

I finally found a way to find user language for translating templates but I need you to import all these pages from Commons to Species. Thank you CreativeC38 (talk) 06:11, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello @CreativeC38: So, a total of 444 pages with the "Lang" prefix. Unfortunately the "import" function is not currently available at Wikispecies. The sites' transwiki server code is not configured for interwikisource import, and because of that we do not have any members in the "importers" user group. First the code for interwikisource import must be reconfigured, which can not be done locally at Wikispecies but instead should be run through the Bugzilla service. After that we can request a Wikimedia steward to assign one or more users as importers. (Note that we don't have any "local" stewards either, so the request must be done through Wikimedia rather than Wikispecies.)

In order for any of this to work we must first seek local Wikispecies' community consensus upon the matter, otherwise both the code change request and the request for importer assignment will be disregarded by Wikimedia coders and stewards. I will discuss the matter with the other admins, but as you understand it may take some time to get all the above matters in order. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 08:39, 4 June 2017 (UTC).

You do not have permission to import pages from another wiki, for the following reason:

The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Administrators, Importers, Transwiki importer

Are you sure you can't use Special:Import ? I exported the pages from meta here. CreativeC38 (talk) 10:50, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

@CreativeC38: If I click Special:Import I'm presented with the text "No wikis from which to import have been defined and direct history uploads are disabled" which according to the Transwiki import help file on Meta is the result of the fact that "on many Wikimedia wikis transwiki import is disabled". According to Import: Implementation on the same page this can be checked using the MediaWiki API, like so: MediaWiki API result – Wikispecies. As you can see there is no value for type in the interwikisource parameter, which indicates that the import function is not configured for Wikispecies. That's the code configuration change I was referring to in my first reply to you, above. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk)‚ 11:11, 4 June 2017 (UTC).

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Hi, I see the discussion on the noticeboard has 0 replies. Maybe we should open an RfC about that ? CreativeC38 (talk) 14:27, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

And in addition I opened an RfC on Meta-wiki about global translation admins. I hope it will speed up translation on Species . CreativeC38 (talk) 09:34, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

@CreativeC38: Thanks. I'll open up an RfC here at Wikispecies later today, after first looking up some more detailed information about the matter. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:39, 6 July 2017 (UTC).

@CreativeC38: Local RfC is now in place. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 11:25, 7 July 2017 (UTC).

Transwiki import configured. CreativeC38 (talk) 18:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@CreativeC38: I'm about halfway through the list of files you wanted me to import. Out of the 444 files there are now just over 200 additional ones left to import, and then the entire set will be accessible locally here at Wikispecies. I estimate to be done well within the next 24 hours. I'll send you a final ping when we harbour them all. Regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 02:33, 12 July 2017 (UTC).

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@CreativeC38: and also pinging the other translation administrators @AlvaroMolina, Chrumps, Koavf, Samuele2002, יונה בנדלאק: All of the requested files have now been imported to Wikispecies (including LanguageHandler.js) and the local copies are all listed here. Using the Administrators' Noticeboard as an example I have created a separate Translation Administrators' Noticeboard which I suggest we use for future discussions of this type. Also, I made some changes to the layout of the Translation administrators page, but didn't check up on the related translation tags involved. Please have a look and make sure everything works as intended. Thanks beforehand! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 02:24, 13 July 2017 (UTC).

Great work ! CreativeC38 (talk) 15:26, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

 Like Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:31, 14 July 2017 (UTC).

d'Éterville or Deterville?

Dear Tommy, you may have your reasons to change but I don't understand why, since in the tittle page of the book is clearly spelled Deterville see here and here, and here, and all of Vieillot publications. Regards.--Hector Bottai (talk) 21:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

@Hector Bottai: You are of course correct, and I have reverted that particular part of my edit. I saw it spelled as d'Éterville in English Wikipedia, but not only there but also in the French, Catalan, Finnish, Lithuanian, Galician, Romanian and Hungarian Wikipedias (links go to the respective "Vieillot" pages). To top it off Google lists it as "d'Éterville, Paris" for about 520 other (non-Wikipedia) pages, when searching for Vieillot's publications. I don't know why, but perhaps people have been confusing the Parisian publisher Deterville with the commune Éterville in northern France..? In any case that is of course no excuse for my error. I should have checked the proper sources rather than WP – however I made the edit in good faith, and it's been a long day. Or yesterday, rather, since it is past midnight here in Sweden now. :-) Anyway, now it is corrected. Thanks for notifying me, and I'm sorry for the inconvenience! Regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 22:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC).

Curious case. I never had a shade of doubt abou your good faith. By the way, I see that I edited Déterville in all of them, probably following some pre-existing citation. Work-to-do. Cheers.--Hector Bottai (talk) 23:53, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

BHL Link

Dear Tommy, how do I simplify the BHL links? Can you give me a hint? Thanks in advance, Henrik, --Hwdenie (talk) 20:29, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

@Hwdenie: Sure thing, Henrik. Check any BHL page – for example BHL – and look at the index of pages in the menu to the left. Below it you will find a line with the text "URL for Current Page", with the shorter URL under it. Add the last part of the URL (the part after "http://biodiversitylibrary.org/") as the parameter for our BHL templates. For the above example the template would look like this: {{BHL|page/38916122}} which of course is way shorter than the long version: {{BHL|item/120095#page/277/mode/1up}}

Please also note that the "References" section should always be listed above the "Vernacular names" section (like this), and that the headlines "Synonyms" and "References" should always be in plural, even if there is only one synonym or reference listed. In the same way the "Name" headline should always be in singular, never written as "Names". –Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist, 23:18, 29 June 2017 (UTC).BHL

Thanks for your quick reply. It's quite simple indeed. Beste regards, Henrik, --Hwdenie (talk) 12:09, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Dear Tommy, you deleted W L from W.L. Sclater, however remind there are two authors P.L. and W.L. Sclater. In the IOC World Bird List these authors are mentioned with WL or PL. Best regards, Henrik, --Hwdenie (talk) 15:34, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Indeed you are correct. I was surprised to see that the initials are actually included in the specific designations, since that is rather uncommon in zoology. (For instance there are a lot of authors named Smith and Wu etc, and they are seldom disambiguated by their initials – except of course in the "References" sections and in lists of publications, but that's another matter.)

Please note though that I didn't change the actual author links – they still pointed to the correct author page (see the respective Pernis steerei diff and Spilornis kinabaluensis diff for this), rather than to the generic Sclater page. Regardless of that I have now changed back to also include the initials in the rendered links. Cheers, Tommy Kronkvist, 18:53, 2 July 2017 (UTC).

It's OK, thanks for your rapid reaction.--Hwdenie (talk) 19:36, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Templates tysp and tg

Hi Tommy there seems to be a coding problem with these two templates any ideas? Here is an example Regards Andyboorman (talk) 14:28, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

@Andyboorman, Pigsonthewing: Hi Andy, and thanks for notifying. This is not only an issue with the {{Tysp}} and {{TG}} templates, but also {{Lectyp}}, {{Type}} and perhaps even more. At a first glance it looks MediaWiki related rather than as a problem with our local templates as such, but I have to take a more thorough look to be sure. Unfortunately I've got a lot of offline work to do right now, so I don't think I will have time to do it until later this weekend. Regards, Tommy Kronkvist, 10:45, 7 July 2017 (UTC).

Resolved. Somehow the wiki gnomes silently fixed this without our intervention. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 02:44, 13 July 2017 (UTC).

Agelaioides oreopsar

Dear Tommy, this is a complex wikispecies because there are two complete different scientific names for in fact the same organism. The last version of the IOC Word Bird List and also BirdLife international again use the original "Sclater name" (Oreopsar bolivianus) and have good arguments to do that. Do we have to make two wikispecies? Or change the article name and use Oreopsar bolivianus and treat Agelaioides oreopsar as a synonym? I don't know the best solution. Best regards, Henrik, --Hwdenie (talk) 19:57, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Allspecies

Tommy,

Who is Allspecies. I suspect its an old user who is blocked. PeterR (talk) 09:38, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Tommy, why don't you answer me? This is a serious problem. I see you update his reference templates. PeterR (talk) 17:35, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@PeterR: The reason I didn't answer you is that I am not logged in 24 hours a day every day of the year, which I hope you understand. I have a real job too you know, I can't be online on Wikispecies all the time! And yes, I updated a few of the reference templates – but that was only 15 minutes ago!

To answer your question: Perhaps he is, but I do not know. It might be a serious problem, but we should not be too quick to judge people. Quite frankly we currently can't be sure who the user really is. For further information on the matter, please see the ongoing discussion named "Sock back?" at the Administrators' Noticeboard. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 17:45, 26 July 2017 (UTC).

It is clear to me that Allspecies is the same as Stohner. The way who he is working its the same way Stohner have done. PeterR (talk) 17:52, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Two things: Please continue this discussion at the Administrator's Noticeboard ("Sock back?"), since this is a matter concerning all admins, not only me. Also, please remember this discussion which we had on your talk page in the summer of 2016. It regards the name of the user you refer to. Thank you. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 18:00, 26 July 2017 (UTC),

DOI template

Hi Tommy Have you seen this discussion on the VP? I think that it is reasonable question. However, I see that the original template was programmed by a contributor who no longer works here. Can you help at all? Andyboorman (talk) 12:19, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

@Andyboorman: Hi Andy. Yes I have seen that thread, and was the first one to reply to the person who started it. Unfortunately I have an exceptional offline workload at the moment, and therefore haven't got the time needed to be online here as much as I would like. I haven't checked the code of the {{doi}} template, but it's probably fairly straightforward. I will try to take care of it in a few days, when I have more time. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 19:57, 30 July 2017 (UTC).

@Tommy Kronkvist: Hi Tommy. Thanks in anticipation. Mr Thorpe has some good ideas, but being a persistent sock is not one of them. Andyboorman (talk) 20:12, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree. As for the DOI template it is importan that we get it right, since it is used on so very many pages. Justin/Koavf might be able to help out as well. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 20:18, 30 July 2017 (UTC).

@Andyboorman: I made the changes to the template earlier today. It should now work as we discussed on the Village Pump. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 13:10, 31 July 2017 (UTC).

@Tommy Kronkvist: Seems to work smoothly. Thanks Andyboorman (talk) 17:30, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Anadara

• (Thread moved to origin of discussion on Accassidy's talk page.) –Tommy Kronkvist, 14:23, 2 August 2017 (UTC).

Doi template

I can't see your reasoning behind the hiding of the doi number in the doi template, which is displayed as a standard everywhere else. The elimination of the number makes the link "DOI" ambiguous and non-standard. Therefor I reverted your change. Please try discussing before implementing such important changes. Mariusm (talk) 06:11, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

On seeing the discussion at the Pump I retract this. Still I think this is not a good change. See also the Template Doi [1] at the enWP. Mariusm (talk) 06:18, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

As you saw at the Village Pump both systems are available, using either the {{Doi}} or the {{DOI-ID}} template. This is correspondent to the praxis at the English Wikipedia, where they use the templates "Doi-inline" [2] together with the "Doi" template you refer to above. Also, the latest edit to our VP discussion was made as recently as August 1, so the subject is of course still open for deliberation. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 10:18, 6 August 2017 (UTC).