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Which works to add in pages for taxon authorities?

Hi, I was wondering if, when listing an author's works in pages for taxon authorities, one should limit them just to those works which contain taxonomic/nomenclatural acts, or if they are meant to eventually become a complete list of works by that authority. Thanks for any clarification! :) Umimmak (talk) 14:13, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

P.S., the brackets you removed were to indicate that, although he was the author, his name was not explicitly listed. See, e.g., [1]. Is there a better way to have done this? Umimmak (talk) 14:21, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Umimmak: Only list works regarding taxonomy and nomenclature, please. For example, Vladimir Nabokov was a renowned entomologist as well as a novel writer, but Wikispecies has no interest in also listing his fiction and novels, such a Lolita or Pale Fire – nor any of his many published chess problems, for that matter… :) Such information is better suited for Wikipedia.

As for Bassett and brackets, see this diff. for an alternative way. –Tommy Kronkvist, 14:32, 7 November 2017 (UTC).

I wasn't considering adding works entirely outside the field of biology, but many works fall in between: e.g., works which discuss taxa's nomenclatural history, works which mention a taxon's name (so one gets a sense of how quickly/widespread the adoption of nomenclatural acts was). And re the bracketed example, maybe I'll just have to explain in words if the bracket isn't standard... Umimmak (talk) 14:53, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

P.S., re brackets see IZCN "Recommendation 51D. Author anonymous, or anonymous but known or inferred.v If the name of a taxon was (or is deemed to have been) established anonymously, the term "Anon." may be used as though it was the name of the authors. However, if the authorship is known or inferred from external evidence, the name of the author, if cited, should be enclosed in square brackets to show the original anonymity." And other style guides recommend similarly for works cited, e.g., CMoS17§14.79 "If the authorship is known or guessed at but was omitted on the title page, the name is included in brackets (with a question mark for cases of uncertainty)." I'm going to add back the bracket, although it might be useful to have an explicit note as well. Umimmak (talk) 03:58, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

P.P.S., ugh update it's all a moot point anyway I suppose since even though they read "nov. gen.", they were actually formally named in earlier works (with thankfully clearer authorship). I realized this after I already made a template Template:H.F. Bassett, 1882. I suppose then, there's no reason to ever cite this on wikispecies, the template should be deleted and it stricken from the list of works, then, yeah? Sorry :( :( :( I don't mean to make you spend your time just fixing all my mistakes. Umimmak (talk) 04:45, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

P.P.P.S., although I now see "Loxaulis Mayr, nov. gen" is a misspelling of "Loxaulus Mayr" so maybe that does make it potentially citable as creating a synonym? Particularly since one does see a few other texts referring to "Loxaulis Mayr" or "Loxaulis mammula" Sorry again for the barrage of messages. Umimmak (talk) 05:40, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

First of all, I think IZCN's Article 51. Citation of names of authors only refers to citing author names when referring to named taxa – not publications. In other words Article 51 is a recommendation on how to write for example "Hemigrammus Gill, 1858" but does not present any recommendations on how to cite the accompanying work "Gill, T.N. 1858. Synopsis of the fresh water fishes of the western portion of the island of Trinidad, W. I. Annals of the Lyceum of Natural History of New York 6(10–13): 363–430".

Secondly, unless we find a verifiable source of Loxaulis Mayr being accepted as a synonym, we can not use it. That might be considered original research and is a very big no-no here.

Lastly, I'll get back to you with more data on the Bassett templates. Meanwhile, do you happen to know which "Masi" is the author of Pseudotorymus Masi, 1921? The only one presently in our database is Luigi Masi, but he is listed as an ostracodologist. As for the barrage of messages – no worries! I was born in Finland, and through history we've had 750 years of barraging from both east and west. I think I can cope with a few talk page messages without any sort of problems... :) Tommy Kronkvist, 15:23, 8 November 2017 (UTC).

Noted, yeah I haven't yet seen a ref explicitly place Loxaulis Mayr [in Bassett], 1882 in synonymy with Loxaulus Mayr, 1881, so then there's no reason to ever use that template.

That paper was authored "L. Masi", and unfortunately I've only seen it cited with the initial by others. I would presume the "L. Masi" is the Genoese chalcidologist Luigi Masi (1879–1961), based on the journal and the subject matter and the date and the being in Italian. Not sure if it's the same Luigi Masi already with a page, but it'd be quite a coincidence if two contemporary Italian taxa authorities had the same name... And heh okay good to know I'm not a bother :) Umimmak (talk) 16:55, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Sicalis

Hi. I was wondering why you reverted my edits on Sicalis... I assume there must be a good reason, but as I'm a newbie at this Wiki I'd like to learn. :) Thanks in advance. Petillés (talk) 12:20, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Petillés: and thank you for your contributions! Wikispecies is very different from the other Wikimedia sister projects, especially in comparison to Wikipedia. While Wikipedia is a generally kept "all you can eat" encyclopaedia, Wikispecies is only a database for taxa, taxonomy, biological systematics, type repositories, and information about the authors and references needed to verify that data. Nothing much else. That includes etymology, excluding the very rare exceptions when etymologies can actually add some important information in regards to taxonomy. In other words: Wikispecies always take on a much more scientific approach, while Wikipedia is more mainstream. For more information about this, please read What Wikispecies is not. Having said that, I'm aware of the fact that we do have some 5,500 pages that includes an unwelcome section about etymology – but as with all other Wikimedia sites, Wikispecies is a work in progress... :)

–Happy editing, and best regards! Tommy Kronkvist, 16:15, 9 November 2017 (UTC).

@Petillés: Well, I think that Wiktionary has already been playing the role at least in this case... Yours sincerely, Eryk Kij (talk) 17:36, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

@Tommy Kronkvist, エリック・キィ: Thank you so much for your nice replies! I was perfectly aware of the fact that Wikispecies isn't an all-you-can-eat Wikimedia project, so I searched for pages containing etymologies (finding lots of them) and I thought it was common practice. Anyway, Tommy is right: What Wikispecies is not makes it clear that paragraphs of prose aren't welcome. And Eryk, if you look carefully to the Wiktionary entry, you'll see it was me who added the info there, but I wasn't sure that putting it there was appropriate either. Kind regards to both, Petillés (talk) 18:37, 9 November 2017 (UTC).

Ficus sycomorus and F. sur

Thank you for guiding me, but I still have a question. Please see this book at pages 111 and 112, where the same local name Mukuyu (orthographically mũkũyũ) is given to the two different species. How should we cope with it? My solution was providing both of them with the same name. Is there any better means? There is at least one other case similar to this one. Yours sincerely, Eryk Kij (talk) 17:36, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

@エリック・キィ: A further investigation proves you correct: there are several species of Ficus called "mũkũyũ" in the Kikuyu language. In fact there is even a subspecies of butterfly carrying the word in its taxon name: Charaxes cynthia mukuyu (often feeding from fig trees). I've again added the Kikuyu vernacular name to the Ficus sur page. Kind regards, Tommy Kronkvist, 08:19, 10 November 2017 (UTC).

Tineidae incertae sedis

Hi,

On 1 August this year, you deleted Tineidae incertae sedis. However there are 122 pages linking to it. Please can you review the situation? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:39, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Andy. I'm on it – it will take about a day though. Thanks for the heads-up. –Tommy Kronkvist, 21:54, 23 November 2017 (UTC).

This is taking quite a bit longer that anticipated. Partly because I suddenly got a lot of unexpected off-wiki work handed to me, but mostly due to that aside from the unwanted "Tineidae incertae sedis" links, almost all of the pages also lack all needed author templates, "Taxa named by author" categories, templated references and so forth. At least I'm now down to 60 pages, and the work continues. By tuesday it's all history. –Tommy Kronkvist, 23:51, 26 November 2017 (UTC).

 Done. Tommy Kronkvist, 18:08, 28 November 2017 (UTC).

Long hyphens

I thought we were using long hyphens now in citation page numbers. Neferkheperre (talk) 16:20, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@Neferkheperre: Since December 2015 all of the examples in Help:Reference section use n-dash rather than m-dash. This is ISO standard and was also discussed in the talks companioning our poll about the References format (very briefly, at the very end of the thread). I have updated the "Help:Reference section" page to state this in wording as well, rather than only by example. –Tommy Kronkvist, 15:56, 14 December 2017 (UTC).

Modul #invoke:VN|main

Ahoj, všiml jsem si, že u některých species čerpáme Vernacular names z wikidat. V modulu je následující problém. Při doplňování jazyka čerpá modul kód jazyka z jazyků vyplněných v položce (P1843), ale nepřiřazuje k tomuto kódu jazyka příslušný popis. Ve Wikispecies se zobrazuje název článku uvedený v interwiki. Do článku Ophioglossum vulgatum jsem se snažil to správně vložit ve Wikidatech, ale neúspěšně. översättning (Translation) (Übersetzung) --Rosičák (talk) 18:17, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

@Rosičák: Thank you for the information, however when looking at it now I can't seem to find any errors. I guess it is possible that the edits made by @Orchi: (after your edits) have corrected the problem? Or, maybe I'm missing something...

Sending a "ping" to @Pigsonthewing: Do you (Andy) perhaps have any ideas or explanations? The Wikidata item at hand is Q847497. ^{(Překlad do češtiny) (Deutsche Übersetzung)} –Tommy Kronkvist, 21:17, 18 December 2017 (UTC).

I'm relying on the Google Translation, so may be missing something: what's the error? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:54, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Ahoj, chyba? je v tom, že se jméno nepřenáší z položky (P1843). Její vyplnění nebo nevyplnění nemá na přenos k nám asi vliv. Popis se pravděpodobně přenáší z popisu položky v příslušném jazyce (eliminovány jsou shody s vědeckým názvem). Experimentálně jsem ověřil (pozměněním údajů na Wikidatech), že se chybně přenáší pravopis prvního znaku z této položky. Malé písmeno je změněno na velké . To nezohledňuje správný pravopis. Správný pravopis bohužel nepodporují ani interwiki, tam je 1. znak vždy velký, což je v mnoha jazycích chybné.

Podobná šablona existuje i na Commons. Tam je přenos názvu korektní stačí vyplnit (P1843). Viz Commons Použitím tohoto přenosu získají 24 jazykových popisů. U nás to hodí 20 názvů.

Wikidata nyní obsahují 28 interwiki 28 jazykových popisů 21 jazykových popisů (bez těch shodných s vědeckým názvem), 13 obecných názvů taxonu v položce (P1843).translate--Rosičák (talk) 18:52, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: I don't speak Czech but if I understand correctly, the Wikispecies {{VN}} template (and/or {{#invoke:VN|main}} string) used for example on the Wikispecies page "Ophioglossum vulgatum" doesn't properly fetch data from the Wikidata property P1843 (labelled "taxon common name" and used for example by the equivalent Wikidata Q847497 "Ophioglossum vulgatum" item). Rosičák compares this with Template:VN on Commons which according to him works better. (For reference, see Ophioglossum vulgatum on Commons.) At the time of my writing the Wikidata item for Ophioglossum vulgatum lists vernacular names in 21 languages. All of those are also present on the Wikispecies' Ophioglossum vulgatum page but for some reason the Commons ditto lists a few extra, reaching a total of 23 languages. Thats the stats when I'm checking them, right now. The odd thing is that when Rosičák wrote his last message above he claimed that Wikidata listed 21 languages. Of those only 20 were shown on Wikispecies, all while Commons went overboard and listed a whopping 24... (N.b. alternative/duplicate vernacular names is not an issue here, since we're counting the number of languages, not names.) I suspect Wikispecies lacking one language is simply a cache issue, but I guess it could also be the result of a true error somewhere in the code. I haven't studied the templates in detail, but it's apparent that the code in the Commons VN template is a lot cleaner than the Wikispecies VN code (but still manages to fetch stuff that isn't present in the database...)

The user continues to say that the Wikispecies template always render the names with a leading capital letter: "Malé písmeno je změněno na velké" = "Small letter is changed to big". This is 1) wrong in many languages, 2) not consistent with the matching Wikidata P1843 entries for those languages, and 3) not how the Commons VN template works. On Wikispecies (and contrary to Commons) all of the vernacular names are listed on separate lines and therefore should always use caps anyway – just like any other word in the beginning of a sentence. Hence this particular bug/feature isn't really a concern to us, but since Rosičák took it up I mention it for the sake of completeness. –Tommy Kronkvist, 21:07, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I'm not a Lua coder, so can't help in that regard. However, I note that the Commons template's documentation says that "scientific name(s) are retrieved from wikicommons pagename plus wikidata property P225" (my emphasis). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:33, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Adenia

Thanks for editing Adenia

--I wish Merry Christmas R C Peña — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 190.216.146.120 (talk) 01:58, 26 December 2017

I guess you mean Adenia heterophylla. You're welcome. Happy New Year! –Tommy Kronkvist, 11:15, 27 December 2017 (UTC).

Muellerina eucalyptoides

I had a crack at Muellerina eucalyptoides on wikispecies.. I was hoping you might fix it up or tell me how to do so. (Thanks for the help you have already given). MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:00, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

@MargaretRDonald: Hi. The page looks alright – so thank you too! I added some links to author pages, links to ISSN pages, plus a reference template, APNI, JSTOR and "Repository link" templates. (The actual pages for the latter still needs to be created though: we're sadly behind on most of the repository pages, but that's of course not related to your edit.)

It is Wikispecies' praxis not to use external links to scientific journals etc in the "Name" or "Synonyms" sections. We only use "in-house" Wikispecies links to author pages there. All links to external (i.e. non-wiki) sites are usually found exclusively in the "References" section (or a subsection thereof). Hence I moved those links to the proper section.

As a final note apparently the APNI template needs some work for better functionality and legibility. However that's not related to "your" Muellerina page either, but rather needs to be fixed on the templates "own" page. I hope to be able to look into it in the next few days, but unfortunately I'm currently somewhat pressed for time. –Tommy Kronkvist, 08:41, 7 January 2018 (UTC).

Thanks for all this, Tommy MargaretRDonald (talk), 09:36, 7 January 2018 (UTC).

Thanks for reverting Tieghem, 1895. (and thanks for the template example) MargaretRDonald (talk), 01:17, 8 January 2018 (UTC).

An edit needed for Template:PWO

This attempt at a template is a failure.

The page Thymelaeaceae which uses it, should create the link to the appropriate page of Plants of the World online. That is, the code should retrieve the ipni reference code, recognise that ipni is referencing a family and then add #children, but if referencing a species do whatever is appropriate. (I have retained the incorrect referencing of Plants of the world in Thymelaeaceae below a correct reference, and one of the two needs deletion. MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:00, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

What do you do when a name is not the current (accepted) name?

e,g. in the pages Lagunaria & Lagunaria patersonii, Lagunara patersonii is given, but it is not the accepted name as can be seen when going to IPNI. The accepted name is Lagunaria patersonia. MargaretRDonald (talk) 08:55, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello @MargaretRDonald: This is clearly an error by the original editor(s) and it is difficult to understand how this occurred given the auto-correct in INPI and other sources. Maybe the editor did not go back to the basionym, but just to the protolgue. My understanding is that Art 23 of ICBN applies to the epithet patersonius, which as an adjective then automatically becomes the feminine patersonia and this is noted on the GRIN reference. Meanwhile both pages are pretty bad and need editing. I will do this as an example that you are free to follow in the future. In addition, Lagunaria patersonii has no legitimacy and is blanked and deleted and then given a brief appearance on the list of synonyms. On another point, this example shows why it is useful to date the synonyms in order to show priority of the orthological variants. Hope this helps and I will now get on with the edits. Andyboorman (talk) 19:07, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Smith, 1793

I disagree with your removal of the Wikispecies link from {{Smith, 1793}}. While the page is already linked to that via Wikidata - Q4659751 - i) the casual reader will not find it in a side-bar (as inded you did not!); and ii) the sidebar link will not appear on pages on which the template is transcluded. Unless there is some other reason for its removal, such as a prior consensus, please restore it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:44, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: The Wikisource link is actually fully visible in the left hand menu: see screenshot. It's marked with a yellow "featured text" star which makes it even more visible. Having said that, I see no harm in including the Wikisource link in the template, hence I've re-added it. Also, you're of course right in that the sidebar link will not appear on pages on which the template is transcluded. Kind regards, Tommy Kronkvist, 19:25, 20 January 2018 (UTC).

Penny Rose Smith

Tommy, can you handle this? "I'm Penny Rose Smith. I have created an account on Wiki Species to join the project. Could you give me a welcome page on my talk page and give me some tips, advice and some starters to help me?"
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by PeterR (talk • contribs) 16:24, 23 January 2018.

@PeterR: I saw her message on your talk page. I'm a bit busy right now but yes, I will see to it soon. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 16:51, 23 January 2018 (UTC).

Listing an author's taxa

Hi Tommy, I have been adding 'Category: X taxa' at the bottom of taxa entries. However, not all taxa entry names correspond to the taxa name, because of the need for disambiguation. The problem can be seen if you check the taxa listed for Robert Brown. I am hoping that some smart wiki-person can fix the problem where taxa such as 'Nelsonia (ICBN)' and 'Drymophila R.Br.' are listed. MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:16, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi @MargaretRDonald: I’m on the road right now, but will sort it out as soon as I have access to a real computer (rather than my phone which I’m using at the moment). Also, please note that there should be no space after the colon in category nsmes. After all this isn’t English – it’s wiki code! :-) Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 10:09, 26 January 2018 (UTC).

Mueller reference templates

Hi Tommy, I am struggling to build

• Mueller, F. 1860–1861. Fragmenta Phytographiae Australiae. Vol. 2. 199 pp. J. Ferres, Melbourne. BHL Reference page.  along the pattern of
• Mueller, F. 1865–1866. Fragmenta Phytographiae Australiae. Vol. 5. 240 pp. J. Ferres, Melbourne. BHL Reference page.  and am hoping you might be able to either help me or modify
• Mueller, F. 1860–1861. Fragmenta Phytographiae Australiae. Vol. 2. 199 pp. J. Ferres, Melbourne. BHL Reference page.  so that it functions to put the reader not on the general document but on the precise page which describes the taxon. As you can see I have done a clumsy workaround for Aizoon quadrifidum. Thanks, and regards, MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:26, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

How should I deal with Eucalyptus dealbata?

Hi @Tommy Kronkvist:. If you follow the APC link to Eucalyptus dealbata you can see that this species has now been subdivided into various full species and that E. dealbata only exists as a subspecies of itself. I am not sure how to handle this in Wikispecies.. Your thoughts would be most appreciated. MargaretRDonald (talk) 01:58, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello @MargaretRDonald: and Tommy. I read APC differently to you. I see just Eucalyptus dealbata as an accepted species with no subdivisions. Eucalyptus dealbata var. chloroclada Blakely is now Eucalyptus chloroclada (Blakely) L.A.S.Johnson & K.D.Hill and also Eucalyptus dealbata var. populnea Blakely is Eucalyptus infera A.R.Bean. They are in light blue in the list. However WCSP also shows the following homotypic synonyms for Eucalyptus dealbata - Eucalyptus viminalis var. dealbata (A.Cunn. ex Schauer) C.Moore & Betche, Handb. Fl. N.S.W.: 202 (1893), Eucalyptus tereticornis var. dealbata (A.Cunn. ex Schauer) H.Deane & Maiden, Proc. Linn. Soc. New South Wales 24: 466 (1899) and Eucalyptus umbellata var. dealbata (A.Cunn. ex Schauer) Domin, Biblioth. Bot. 89: 1021 (1928). Hope this helps. Andyboorman (talk) 10:10, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Tech Ambassador

Tommy, with your interest in scripts and technology, and in general being such a helpful person, I wonder if I may interest you for a function called tech ambassador, technically-minded volunteers who help other Wikimedians with technical issues, and act as a bridge between developers and local Wikimedia wikis. One goal of the ambassadors network is to make sure that users are notified of technical discussions and possible changes that impact them. The other goal is for users to get involved as peers in the development process, so that they can inform and guide software development, not just provide feedback after it's done. Dan Koehl (talk) 02:36, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Hej @Dan Koehl: Yes, that is very interesting. I've actually been nurturing similar thoughts fo quite some time now, and think that the community would benefit from such a feature. I would gladly accept becoming a tech ambassador, but think we should bring it up at the Administrators' noticeboard first. Best regards, –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 14:42, 18 February 2018 (UTC).

This function is just an informative, in fact every WS member can sign up if they want, so theres not really any need to run through Administrators' noticeboard, except for giving information. If you woud care to join, thats great, just sign up tech hereDan Koehl (talk) 14:45, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

 Done. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 14:56, 18 February 2018 (UTC).

Adding disambiguation pages

Hi Tommy, I was trying to add some plant genera with the same names as animal genera, and have no idea how to go about it. I was hoping you might point me in the right direction... Regards, MargaretRDonald (talk) 02:36, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello @MargaretRDonald: For homonyms we usually add the family name within parentesis to the page name, i.e. "Genus (Familia)". Please also add any suitable pages to List of valid homonyms. –Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 14:41, 18 February 2018 (UTC).

Thanks @Tommy Kronkvist:, MargaretRDonald (talk) 22ː53, 18 February 2018 (UTC).

Localization, Template Int

Hello Tommy Kronkvist, in your last edit on Carl Friedrich Philipp von Martius, you removed the translation template Int: of the "publications" heading (which worked well). What is "erroneous" in getting the headings translated? Or is there another method used at wikispecies for translations? Kind regards, --Thiotrix (talk) 09:50, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Thiotrix: I never said that there is anything wrong with translating the headline, instead my summary text states that the {{Publications}} template itself is erroneous (which is also mentioned on the template page). The original problem was that if the template was used, clicking on the "edit" link next to the "Publications" headline didn't open a window for editing the list of publications on the same author page (in the above example https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carl_Friedrich_Philipp_von_Martius&action=edit&section=1). Instead it opened a window for editing the actual template (i.e. https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Publications&action=edit). That could result in honest mistakes or confusions such as this one.

Fixing the template is still a work in (slow) progress, and in November 2017 the template was sort of mended by replacing the wiki code ==Publications== with its HTML equivalent <h2>Publications</h2>. However this is nothing but a quick fix: it uses unpreferable HTML instead of recommended wiki code, and simply works by removing the "edit" link altogether. Also, the fix is revoked if the "int" magic word is afterwards added to the wiki coded heading (i.e. =={{int:Publications}}==) since the code string then again refers back to the {{Publications}} template. Not an optimal solution, in my opinion. Most of this has been discussed on several occasions, for example here:

• Wikispecies:Village Pump/Archive 37#Template Publications
• Wikispecies:Village Pump/Archive 38#Discussion
• Wikispecies:Village Pump/Archive 44#Author page wording

Please note that we have a similar and equally ongoing problem with the templates {{Taxa authored}} – often abbreviated as {{Taxa}} – and {{Taxa authored 2}} (which is a temporary fork of the former, to allow for development of a version with a translatable heading). Those issues are also discussed in the VP Archive 44 thread linked above. Your skills and efforts are very much appreciated around here, and any ideas or good hands-on edits to either of the above mentioned templates are very welcome. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist, 03:10, 4 March 2018 (UTC).

Hello Tommy Kronkvist, thank you for your answer and links to the discussions. I knew about the problems with {{Publications}}, that's why I have never used it. But "Int:Publications" is quite a different thing, it does not refer to the problematic template, but just calls the translation of the word from Wikispecies:Localization table: "Publications" (as here you see neither a heading nor the incomplete notice). The magic word "int:" works very well, as you can try for example at Kintarô Okamura: you get the edit button and it will open the section for editing. In the lower part of Kintarô Okamura, I tried also the heading int:Eponyms. This worked after inserting a line for eponyms at Wikispecies:Localization table. But I do not know much about magic wiki words, are there any reasons, not to use "int:" here at wikispecies? Kind regards, --Thiotrix (talk) 08:55, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi again, @Thiotrix: About the "int:" magic word. I've used it before together with wiki code (syntaxed as in my =={{int:Publications}}== example above) without getting the edit link. I checked it again today, and yes as you say the edit link is very much present and working as excepted (i.e. linking to the correct page). Perhaps I was the unlucky victim of some temporary server glitch before? Who knows... Anyway now it obviously does work, which is good. Thank you for the heads up.

Thanks also for entering the English "Eponyms" keyword and its German counterpart into the "Wikispecies:Localization" table. I've since then created the equivalent pages for Dutch, French, Italian, Spanish, and Swedish. As for the "int:" magic word, no I'm not aware of any reason why not to use it in Wikispecies. We also frequently use the {{lang}} template: see for example my latest edit to Kintarô Okamura. –mfG, Tommy Kronkvist, 13:38, 5 March 2018 (UTC).

Hello Tommy Kronkvist, I was going to ask you about the same templates already mentioned here, because of your recent changes. Some users helped me with using/understanding templates recently and I also read the discussions you mentioned above. Still I would like to have some kind of confirmation whether to use the templates including the "int" or the "old ones". I'm adding information to genus and species pages (within ordo Enterobacterales) and try to follow a systematic approach, so it would be good to know if I should exchange the word in the heading (already within the page) with a localized template, resp. add a localized template when I add appropriate information, e.g. =={{int:Synonyms}}==.

And I would like to mention that the help sections (for example Help:Name section or Help:Reference section#Reference Subsections) do not give any hints on that topic. I have been reading those in order to edit in accordance with the rules, and probably other new users would act the same way. Kind regards, --A doubt (talk) 09:48, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Userbox help

So I put Template:User de-2 and Template:User en-n onto my page, and this exact thing popped up: {{userboxtop}} {{User de-2}} {{User en-n}} {{userboxbottom}} Please help, GermanGamer77 (talk) 19:04, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Fixed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:20, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Andy. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 16:00, 9 March 2018 (UTC).

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Thanks so much for the speedy deletion of the photo of the famous botanist and lichenogist Roger Rosentreter. I just didn't have time enough to add to his page right at the moment and am primarily working on adding photographs- not writing articles. If you would actually like to help out there is plenty of work to be done on Wikispecies especially for plants- and you can start by adding at least one photograph of every species I've uploaded onto Wikimdia, and replacing poorer photos of the species that already have photos. Just saying if you are looking for things to do- there sure is a lot that actually needs to be added here since I've been downloading many, many species that Wikispecies and Wikipedia both do not have- as well as most other databases in the world. Please check out my contributions at to get started adding species photographs to their pages today!! https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:MyGallery&withJS=MediaWiki:JSONListUploads.js&gUser=ThayneT Thanks for any help you can give to the world's most endangered species! ThayneT (talk) 04:20, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

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Stanislaus von Prowazek

Hi! Why you revert, this is not vandalism. This is the name of this scientist in Ukrainian. What is it not entitled to exist? On Wikipedia, where I am making edits, somehow lead the reasons for the revert (undo) in a short description. Rollback should be applied only to vandalism? --Шкурба Андрій Вікторович (talk) 23:10, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Шкурба Андрій Вікторович: Yes, I might have been too harsh or at least too quick there, and you have my apologies for not using the "undo" function instead. I am sorry.

The technical reason for reverting was that in Wikispecies we only use the Vernacular names ("VN") section for common names of taxa. We don't use it for names of persons or literature etc. The main reason for this praxis is that Wikispecies' primary scope is to serve as a database of taxa and taxonomy, but we leave the finer details about professors, libraries and type repositories etc to Wikipedia (and to some extent also Wikisource). Furthermore and as stated in Help:Vernacular names section the VN section is not an important part of Wikispecies. The reason for this is that the vernacular names almost never add any information about taxonomy or biological systematics – in other words the vernacular names are out of scope of the Wikispecies project. Unfortunately the VN help page is incomplete and in some parts also very outdated. This is true for both the English and Ukrainian versions of the VN help page. For instance the very first sentence claims that "[the VN] section provides common names in other languages and if possible links to Wikipedia pages". This was true about a year ago, but today the VN section should never contain any links to Wikipedia, since cross-wiki links are now most often automatically served by Wikidata instead. You are very welcome to correct this in the Ukrainian language version of the help page if you like to. It would be most helpful. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 00:28, 24 May 2018 (UTC).

I realized the mistakes of my editing. Thank you for the kind and gracious answer. I will use your advice. I'm sorry for my bad English. --Шкурба Андрій Вікторович (talk) 18:07, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

@Шкурба Андрій Вікторович: If you wish to add the Ukrainian names of people or other entities you are welcome - indeed, encouraged - to do so on Wikidata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:09, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

I did it on Wikidata (I have there in general more than 2500 edits), I simply did not know that it was not desirable on Wikispecies. It's all right! --Шкурба Андрій Вікторович (talk) 15:57, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Full author names

Tommy,

I see you direct full author names to not full author names. Our policy is to create full author names (if known). We direct no full author names to full author names. See Miguel Angel Monné. Please keep your changes after our policy. PeterR (talk) 06:31, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello @PeterR: and thank you for your notification. Can you please give an example where I've used such a link, and I will be happy to fix it. Thank you. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 08:20, 28 May 2018 (UTC).

PS. Do you happen to know which "Werner" is the author of Auchmomantis, a synonym of Achlaena? Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:14, 28 May 2018 (UTC).

I have fix it already. PeterR (talk) 13:35, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

So far I know it is Franz Werner. In 1908 he have published a lot new species. PeterR (talk) 13:57, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Contents on talk page

Hi Tommy I seem to have lost the contents box on my talk page. Can you help me and what went wrong? Thanks Andyboorman (talk) 19:42, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Andyboorman: This is very odd. Normally the table of contents is suppressed using the __NOTOC__ code string, i.e. one of the dozen or so magic words that acts as behavior switches on wiki pages. My first guess was that the magic word had been inadvertently added to your talk page. However I can't find it in the code, nor does it seem to be invoked by any of the templates currently used on your talk page. Perhaps @Koavf:, @Pigsonthewing: or @Succu: can be of assistance? Regards, Tommy Kronkvist, 21:57, 3 June 2018 (UTC).

By comparing successive edits, it can be seen that the TOC (Table Of Contents) disappeared with this edit, which Introduced the {{Trithecanthera}} template. Disabling that template (by changing the markup from {{Trithecanthera}} to {{Tl|Trithecanthera}}) has restored the TOC. Presumably one of the templates that are used to build that template uses __NOTOC__. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:46, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Ingenious thanks! Andyboorman (talk) 11:18, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Andy! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 19:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC).

MediaWiki:Sitenotice

Hi, It's been two years since you noticed Wikispecies about the translation project. Now I seriously think that every contributor has acknowledged the fact and it adds itself to the CentralNotice banners (now with the POTY banner). Could you remove it ? --CreativeC (talk) 15:52, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Andy, since the MediaWiki:Sitenotice can be handy for future notes (not necessarily regarding translations), do you know of a way to temporarily stop it from communicating with the CentralNotice extension, without actually having to delete the page? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 21:19, 15 June 2018 (UTC).

No idea, sorry. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:23, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Now deleted. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:07, 16 June 2018 (UTC).

Captions on your pics on user page

By some odd reason you only get the full captions, links and all, if you hover from the bottom of the images and up, rather from the top or sides.

For me, using chrome it works all right, from all sides, also from the top. Dan Koehl (talk) 18:17, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Dan Koehl: and thanks for your note. I've done some testing and unfortunately I can't replicate this on either of my workstations. They all run the latest versions of Windows 10 Pro or macOS, with the latest web browser versions. (Chrome, Internet Explorer, Microsoft Edge, Firefox and Opera on Windows. Apple Safari, Chrome, Firefox and Opera on macOS.) I get the same result on all platforms: the full captions only show up when hovering from the bottom and up. Also, my user page looks a lot worse in Microsoft Edge than on any of the other browsers/platforms – including the deprecated legacy version of Internet Explorer – but I guess that is unrelated. Currently I haven't got a computer running any GNU/Linux distribution, hence that is untested. Anyway and as I said, thanks for the note. :-) Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 16:57, 27 July 2018 (UTC).

Please, translate...

Caro Tommy, primeiro muito obrigado por resolver o erro em Automeris aqui; vi em vosso perfil que é (também) sueco, então... Trago-vos um problema com Automeris na sv-wiki: lá a Automeris excentricus está erradamente escrita como "Automeris exentricus". O erro pode ser melhor percebido no artigo da Wikipédia em português, no artigo que lá escrevi "Automeris excentricus", em sua primeira referência do "Muséum national d'histoire naturelle (France)".

De já agradecido, deixo um abraço desde o Brasil. André Koehne (talk) 04:10, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Now, the bad "translation":

Dear Tommy, first thank you very much for solving the error in Automeris here; I saw in your profile that you're (also) Swedish, so ... I bring you a problem with Automeris on sv-wiki: there Automeris excentricus is wrongly written as "sv:Automeris exentricus". The error can be better perceived in the Wikipedia article in Portuguese, in the article I wrote there ":pt:Automeris excentricus", in its first reference of the "Muséum national d'histoire naturelle (France)".

Thank you, and leave a hug from Brazil. André Koehne (talk) 04:10, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

@André Koehne:, This is strange... Automeris excentricus only get 2 google hits, (and only on pt.wikipedia), while Automeris exentricus gets over 140 hits, indicating this is actually the correct spelling? Dan Koehl (talk) 08:43, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

The species name is spelled Automeris exentricus on animaldiversity.org, https://www.biolib.cz, caterpillars.myspecies.info, sinbiota.biota.org, Arctos Database, datos.sndb.mincyt.gov.ar, and insektoid.info. Dan Koehl (talk) 08:47, 27 July 2018 (UTC). I think the spelling Automeris excentricus on pt.wikipedia may be wrong? Dan Koehl (talk) 08:48, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Btw, this species is not included in the list at Automeris. Dan Koehl (talk) 09:25, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion continued at André Koehne's talk page. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 16:39, 27 July 2018 (UTC).

Linné not first with binominal?

https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=1027&artikel=5679448

Dan Koehl (talk) 21:42, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Interesting, but not very surprising. I read about Artedi some years ago – not that there is very much left for us to read, except may be in Latin – and the theory of him being the "forefather" of Linnaean binominal nomenclature seems quite old, at least in respect to zoological and above all ichthyological nomenclature. Even Linnæus himself admits to this in the first edition of Systema Naturae (1735, Leiden): "Inom Ichthyologien har jag inte själv utarbetat någon metod, utan det är vår tids störste ichthyolog, den vittberömde svensken herr Petrus Artedi som har låtit oss ta del av sin egen. Han har knappt haft någon like i fråga om att särskilja fiskarnas naturliga släkten och arternas olika egenskaper. Jag bringar nu min vetgirige läsare denna, för att han här skall få se hela verkets urbild. Min lysande läsare kan inom kort invänta mera från samme man, nämligen grundsatserna (Institutiones) för Ichthyologien i dess helhet." ^{(page 11, paragraph 4.)}

In short, I feel we need more research regarding this. Thanks for the link! :-) Tommy Kronkvist, 10:49, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Reference format

– Moved to User talk:Accassidy#Reference format where the discussion was initiated.

Authority birth and death data

Hello Tommy Kronkvist, I would like to ask about your edits like this. I think we had recently in the VP a decision to use either only the years, or, in the case of complete birth and death data, to use the standard ISO format, for better localization for non-english readers. Kind regards, --Thiotrix (talk) 06:03, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

I guess you are referring to this discussion at the VP? Wikispecies:Village Pump/Archive 46#Birth/death dates and multilingualism. If so, I can't see that any formal decision was made – then again, you might be referering to totally different VP talk which I haven't seen... :-) Personally I prefer using years only, except when there is a risk of ambiguity as for example between Geoffrey R. Smith and Geoffrey W. Smith (by the way, in those particular examples there are no dates or years at all, so please add them if you can).

Anyway, I've reverted my edit to Lawrence Alexander Sidney Johnson, at least in regards to the date format. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist, 10:06, 21 August 2018 (UTC).

internacionalizace

Ahoj, vytvořil jsem 3 šablony, které by mohly internacionalizovat nadpisy v článcích

Vernacular names References Synonyms

samozdřejmě spolu s těmi, které již existují

Taxonavigation Name

Bylo by možné začlenit šablony do pomocného editačního glosáře níže (Wiki markup: )?

Wiki markup: {{}} {{{}}} | [] [[]] [[Category:]] #REDIRECT [[]]  

<tvar|></> Wikispecies tools: [[|]] ==Taxonavigation== ==Name== Tommy Kronkvist ===Synonyms=== ==References== ==Vernacular names==

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--Rosičák (talk) 19:20, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

P.S.:Pokud bude můj námět přijatelný, přimlouvám se za to, aby byly všechny použité nadpisy v článcích upraveny hromadnou změnou, nejlépe botem.--Rosičák (talk) 03:36, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism?

Tommy,

Please can you look to the contributions from Lien Shan and Circeus? It seams to me vandalism PeterR (talk) 15:05, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@PeterR: I can't really see anything that is out of order. Which particular edits are you referring to? Can you give me a few examples? (Also, Circeus has been an administrator since December 2015) –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:18, 30 August 2018 (UTC).

Gratuluji k přidělení práv k překladům/Grattis till att ge översättningsrättigheter

Vzhledem k tomu, že chci projekt počeštit - převést co nejvíce do češtiny/Eftersom jag vill erövra projektet - konvertera så mycket som möjligt till tjeckiska, věnuj prosím pozornost mým příspěvkům/Var vänlig uppmärksam på mina bidrag. Zvláště na tvé diskusi a v diskusích spjatých s internacionalizací projektu/Speciellt på din diskussion och diskussioner om projektets internationalisering. Na tvé diskusi výše visí již pár dní návrh na editaci, kterou může provést pouze správce./D89/5000 Din diskussion har hängt i några dagar för ett redigeringsförslag som endast kan göras av en administratör. Vzhledem k tomu, že je návrh plný šablon překladu, může se zdát nesrozumitelný./Eftersom utkastet är fullt av översättningsmallar kan det tyckas oförståeligt.

Také chci pozádat o zapracování překladů,které jsem vytvořil inernacionalizace čeština do zamčené stránky překladů, kterou memám právo editovat./Jag vill också be om översättnings översättningar, som jag skapade internationalisering (tjeckisk) till den låsta sidan med översättningar, vilka memorier har rätt att redigera.

s pozdravem/hälsning --Rosičák (talk) 18:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Author categories by nationality

Hello Tommy Kronkvist, there are older categories for Australian Botanists, Austrian botanists, Bulgarian botanists, Pakistani botanists, Russian botanists and Turkish botanists also. Greetings. Orchi (talk) 20:20, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

@Orchi: Thank you for notifying me! I'll sort them out during the day. Regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 20:22, 8 September 2018 (UTC).

Adding a description to the species

Sorry. I was enthusiastic because I found the first description of a species already proofread and looking in good shape in the wiki-world, such as it is. Is there a correct way to link a description to its point of citation here? --RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:30, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi @RaboKarbakian: Wikisource is by no means overly burdened by scientific literature within the field of taxonomy, so I can fully appreciate your enthusiasm. As for Wikispecies, all referenced material on a page should always be presented exclusively in the "References" section. For more information about the layout of Wikispecies (taxon) pages, please see Help:General Wikispecies and its subsections, including Help:Reference section. I have readapted "your" Wikisource link to the Epilobium confertifolium page you edited earlier, together with a list of synonyms and sources for them.

Thank you for your many taxonomy-related additions to Wikisource – they are most welcome! You are of course very welcome to continue contributing to Wikispecies as well. Please do not hesitate to ask me or any of the other admins/bureaucrats if you have any questions, or you can head over to the Village Pump and ask questions or discuss the project there. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 21:19, 19 September 2018 (UTC).