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Wikistats usage data for Wikispecies, more than 1 million views per month[edit]

Not sure if this is news to this community or not, but Wikistats have realised data on usage of all the wiki projects. Wikispecies is obviously a fairly niche project relative to, say, the English language Wikipedia, but in November it had 1 million page views (and that was a month of relatively low traffic). Getting equivalent data for other biodiversity projects is not easy, but I doubt whether many (if any) biodiversity projects get this many views. Full details at https://stats.wikimedia.org/v2/#/species.wikimedia.org. --Rdmpage (talk) 09:33, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the update @Rdmpage: Interesting information, so I added it as a @Wikispecies tweet. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 12:57, 16 December 2017 (UTC).
@Rdmpage: what does -34.84% year over year mean for total page views? Similarly for edits and edited pages? ... WSBiography (talk) 22:33, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Presumably it's the difference in page views (or other statistic) over the previous year. Hence, 34.84% fewer views than last year. Likewise, month on month is a comparison with the previous month. --Rdmpage (talk) 12:21, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm curious why there's 13k page views towards Special:CreateAccount page in the past month. This sounds like a really high number. OhanaUnitedTalk page 05:50, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
True, most of the hits are probably acount creating scripts, with the intention to automatically create an acount, and then spread spamming ads. I guess the Wikimedia programmers update the acount creating scripts, with a protection against this. Dan Koehl (talk) 08:44, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Alexandr I. Miroshnikov[edit]

On the talk page of Alexander Ivanovich Miroshnikov, User:SchreiberBike suggests that it and Alexandr I. Miroshnikov are likely about the same person. This seems plausible. Does anyone disagree? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:50, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Possible duplicate journals[edit]

We have ISSN 1217-8837, and ISSN 0001-7264, each representing Acta Zoologica Academiae Scientiarum Hungaricae. Can these be merged?

Likewise, ISSN 2299-6060 and ISSN 0065-1710 for Acta zoologica cracoviensia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:52, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Also ISSN 0365-7000 and ISSN 0001-3943. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:50, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Anyone? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:06, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
Why are these considered duplicates? Taiwan versus Germany? Confused! Andyboorman (talk) 22:43, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Another: ISSN 1095-5674 vs. ISSN 0040-9618. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:51, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

The later is the Bulletin of the Torrey Botanical Club 1870-1996 and the former The Journal of the Torrey Botanical Society 1997-, so they can not be merged, as they are technically different journals. I can not vouch for the zoological journals. Hope this helps Andyboorman (talk) 22:38, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Fixed on Wikidata. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:02, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Also ISSN 1999-4095 and ISSN 1999-4079. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:22, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

on these later two I have emailed a Russian colleague for advice on this. will let you know. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 15:43, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi @Pigsonthewing: got a response, they are the electronic and printed version of the same journal. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 16:22, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. Merged to ISSN 1999-4095. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:55, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Kiyoshi Ando[edit]

Would anyone like to rescue the data from this good-faith edit, apparently by the page's subject, which I have just reverted as malformed? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:52, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done Mariusm (talk) 09:41, 31 December 2017 (UTC)


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Broken redirects[edit]

Osteospermum caulescens and Dimorphotheca caulescens currently redirect to each other. Can someone say where they should point, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:50, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

I am fairly certain that Dimorphotheca caulescens is the correct name currently (GBIF). Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 15:52, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
No Osteospermum caulescens is correct Dimorphotheca are all annuals. I have sorted this one. Andyboorman (talk) 15:57, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Fair enough, I was not sure so did not change anything, and am not a botanist. Hard t tell from searches. Thanks @Andyboorman:. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 16:23, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


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Allium sect. Amerallium[edit]

The template {{Allium sect. Amerallium}} is used on two pages, but does not (and never did) exist. It does not not appear to be a typo. Should it be removed? If not, what should be in it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:42, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

I solved the case by creating the template. -RLJ (talk) 11:36, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


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Wikipedia fully-protected templates[edit]

Several templates appear in the badly-named, red-linked Category:Wikipedia fully-protected templates. It does not appear in their markup. What causes that? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:55, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Potential problem with taxa authored 2[edit]

"Hi, do you have any clue why the link to Category is working properly but is showing 0 taxa authored?--Hector Bottai (talk) 16:22, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi, @Hector Bottai:. I have no idea. I notice 12 taxa are listed when link is clicked. Counter is not working. This has happened before, and no has determined why. Within 1-2 days, it catches up. Neferkheperre (talk) 17:48, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
I am afraid it won't. That is the reason I had left the very old template for authored taxa. Let's wait.--Hector Bottai (talk) 17:59, 24 December 2017 (UTC)"
Originally, I thought this might be re-iteration of our old intermittent problem of taxa authored counts not keeping up with included lists. But this one seems to be slightly different. When installing {{taxa authored 2}} either to new author pages or in updating older ones, whatever number of taxa was held in that category remains at that integer, even when new taxa are added to the category. Possibly minor errors in programming, or Wiki hiccup? Neferkheperre (talk) 19:47, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
It's almost certainly impossible to debug such issues without examples. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:59, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Advise, the problem with John Patton O'Neill not counting authored taxa existed even with the Taxa template and persists with taxa authored 2.--Hector Bottai (talk) 22:03, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
There is that, and Ray T. Perreault, which had 3 existing taxa listed and counted. Today I went into my page, updated to taxa authored 2; then I went to another one of my authored species and added it to the category. Category count failed to update. Neferkheperre (talk) 22:10, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Perreault is no showing 4 species. The issue might have been be down to a backlog in the job queue: en:Help:Job queue; that shows "0" under "jobs" at [1] (compare with en.Wikipedia's queue, currently showing 35528, at [2]). For O'Neill, the count is still (at the time of writing) 0; but is the same using {{taxa authored}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:31, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Correct. At O'Neill is not a delay. Is a bug.--Hector Bottai (talk) 22:33, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
@Hector Bottai: Some time ago, I observed the same effect with Yin Ch’An Wu. It can be fixed by changing the character used for the inverted comma in the name, both in the author page and in the category. Of course, all taxa then need to be re-categorised. --Franz Xaver (talk) 09:55, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Done! @Franz Xaver:, and worked fine. Now I will edit all the related pages. Many thanks.--Hector Bottai (talk) 13:16, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
All fixed with O’Neill, but...there are dozens of O’ written O' names to be fixed. And probably a lot more on other uses of the inverted coma X'. Good luck!!--Hector Bottai (talk) 13:56, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
A more sensible approach would be to examine why category names with certain punctuation characters cause a a failure (and which if any, other characters cause it); and to fix that. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:43, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
I have the same problem with Roberta D'Archino. Where can I find the curly quote sign on the keyboard? --Thiotrix (talk) 10:54, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
@Thiotrix: Go to Special characters > Symbols and you will find it, 5th line.--Hector Bottai (talk) 20:24, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Punctuation in names[edit]

In applying the above work-around, Hector moved John Patton O'Neill (with a straight, ASCII apostrophe) to John Patton O’Neill (with a single curly quote). Which (if any standard exists) is the preferred usage on Wikispecies? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:47, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Biol. Tiere Deutschl.[edit]

Can anyone give me a full title for " Biol. Tiere Deutschl.", please? Bonus points for a URL or ISSN. My web searches have not been productive. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:02, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Probably: "Biologie der Tiere Deutschlands" see here. Burmeister (talk) 13:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
No ISSN, apparently ceased publication about 1938. See WorldCat. Neferkheperre (talk) 13:51, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Resolved Yes, that fits the dates I have. Thank you, both. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:19, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Forms of Vidensk. Medd. Dansk nat. Foren.[edit]

Are Videnskabelige meddelelser fra den Naturhistoriske forening i Kjøbenhavn (Q23073022), Videnskabelige meddelelser fra Dansk Naturhistorisk forening i Kjøbenhavn (a red link on the former item) and ISSN 0373-3874 (Q21385465) one, two or three publications? The latter page refers to the minor name change between the first two; and has BHL links for volumes from 1849-1924. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:25, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

All one journal. Older journals, particularly European ones, changed names from time to time. Part of their confusion, especially after some time has passed. BHL is helpful in disambiguating these various incarnations. Neferkheperre (talk) 02:11, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Merged to ISSN 0373-3874, and to Q21385465 on Wikidata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:06, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


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More journals[edit]

I have searched for each of the following journal abbreviations (many cited on Wikispecies) using a variety of sources, but cannot determine the full titles. Can anyone help, please?

  • Ann. Mus. Congo Tervuren, Zool. (possibly related to ISSN 0379-1785?)
  • Ann. Mus. Roy. Afr. Centr., Zool.
  • Ann. Natur-hist. 'Mus. Wien (possibly "Ann. Wiener Mus. Naturgesch."?}
  • Cat. Faun. Austr.
  • Jahrb. Ges. Natur, u. Technik Wien
  • Miss. Sc. l'Omo., Paris
  • Mitt. Höhlen-Karstforsch.
  • Nat. Hist. Rennel Isl., Brit. Solomon Isl, Copenhagen
  • Orthopt. Catal. (possibly "A Synonymic Catalogue of Orthoptera"?)
  • Rendiconti, Cl. Sc., Milano
  • Ree. S. Austral. Mus.

Again, URLs or other identifiers would be useful, too. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:12, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

are you sure the last one is not a typo for Records of the South Australian Museum https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/bibliography/61893#/summary. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 00:26, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Indeed it is. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:36, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: Ann. Mus. Roy. Afr. Centr., Zool. == Musée Royal de l'Afrique Centrale, Tervuren, Belgique: Annales - Serie in 8° - Sciences Zoologiques https://www.nhbs.com/series/musee-royal-de-lafrique-centrale-tervuren-belgique-annales-serie-in-8-sciences-zoologiques ISBN is per volume as its a monograph series. Its changed its name over the years and also has language variants. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 18:41, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Also you are correct on Ann. Mus. Congo Tervuren, Zool. see here https://www.nhbs.com/series/annales-du-musee-du-congo-belge-tervuren-belgique-c-zoologie-annalen-van-het-museum-van-belgisch-congo-tervuren-belgie-c-dierkunde-1898-1946 this journal is also related to the monograph series above. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 18:46, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you again. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:52, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

JSTOR web page[edit]

Please note that the URL for JSTOR's database has changed from "www" to "plants", e.g. "http://plants.jstor.org/stable//10.5555/al.ap.specimen.k000844777" for Muellerina eucalyptoides. I have updated our {{JSTOR}} template accordingly. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 08:47, 7 January 2018 (UTC).

The template is mostly used for linking to the core part of JSTOR, the collection of digitized literature, with the URL "http://www.jstor.org/stable/" plus an ID number. Global Plants is essentially a collection of pictures of botanical type specimens. A template pointing to Global Plants should have another name than "JSTOR". -RLJ (talk) 10:55, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
I changed the template and its documentation correspondingly. --RLJ (talk) 11:59, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with that at all, and agree that the few "JSTOR plant" links we have should have a separate name. What should we name such a template? Suggestions please. Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 12:38, 7 January 2018 (UTC).

Template APNI not working[edit]

The template APNI seems not to work anymore, see at Muellerina eucalyptoides. Can someone correct the links, please? --Thiotrix (talk) 13:55, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

The {{APNI}} template hasn't been edited since August 2015.(diff) It was working well earlier today – I know because I made an edit to the Muellerina eucalyptoides page which involved adding the template twice,(diff) and I checked the links in the process. Hence this error is most likely due to temporary problems at the APNI end, and not related to our template or database calls. (See the ISNI down? thread above for a similar case, which btw is by now resolved by ISNI and/or their web site host.) Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 16:32, 7 January 2018 (UTC).
The template is pointing to, for example, http://www.anbg.gov.au/cgi-bin/apni?taxon_id=470093 That redirects to https://biodiversity.org.au/nsl/services/search/index which in trun returns a 404 'not found' error. The page at http://www.anbg.gov.au/cgi-bin/apni redirects to https://biodiversity.org.au/nsl/services/apni The latter website has a page about Muellerina eucalyptoides, at https://biodiversity.org.au/nsl/services/name/apni/63880/api/apni-format - note that the ID has changed from "470093" to "63880", and that using the old ID in the new format URL, as: https://biodiversity.org.au/nsl/services/name/apni/470093/api/apni-format fails. The Wayback Machine does not have the original page archived. For now, I've disabled display of the template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:39, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing this out Andy. I've added HTML wiki links for the APNI data at Muellerina eucalyptoides until this (somehow...) gets fixed. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 22:29, 7 January 2018 (UTC).
Incidentally, there are around 137 pages using this template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:44, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

New template for use on taxon author talk pages[edit]

I have forked {{Welcome}}, and created {{Autobiography}}, for use on the talk pages of Taxon Author pages which have been edited by an IP editor who is or may be the page's subject. If the page has been edited by a named account, please leave a {{Welcome}} on that account's talk page, instead.

I did this because many "IP" editors who edit author pages may not see the welcome templates left on the IP's talk page, if the next time they visit they are using a different IP address.

Translations of the new template are needed, please. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:56, 8 January 2018 (UTC)