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New properties proposal in Wikidata

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Hello, I remember @Faendalimas: comments there that makes me thinks that Wikispecies users may have interesting points of view, or ideas, regarding how is treated synonymy in Wikidata. There are a set of properties proposal that will allow to indicate if an item is "just" a synonym, or/and a protonym, ect.. See taxon synonym of, protonym of, basionym of and replaced synonym of. Christian Ferrer (talk) 04:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Charles A. Ely

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Hello, we have a Charles Adelbert Ely an ornithologist said to be born in 1933, this is confirmed by this page [1], where it is also said that he is the author of "Shallow-water Asteroidea and Ophiuroidea of Hawaii". However this article is from 1942 [2] and he can't be the author as he was too young. Another article from 1944 authored by the echinodermologist is listed in Jstor [3], in the preview we can read "Charles A. Ely, University of Wisconsin". Every where in the web all is like if there was only one Charles A. Ely, so I can't find infos about the echinodermologist. I'm going to create a secong page here for the echinodermologist as to me it seems obvious that he is not the same author, excepted if the date of birth of the ornithologist is wrong. If anyone has comments or information on one of the two authors, they are most welcome. Thanks you, Christian Ferrer (talk) 18:16, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

The article is a thesis for a Master of Science [4] and the author seems to have been born in 1913 [5].I found a Charles Aubrey Ely born that year but didn't check further than that. Quasi-grip (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Great, thanks you, when he published that thesis he was affiliated to the University of Hawaii, and I found a newspaper article [6], from 19 September 1938, saying that Charles A. Ely joined the staff of department of Zoology of the University of Hawaii in 1938, and that he was also graduate of the Washington and Jefferson University. Christian Ferrer (talk) 20:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Update: a contact in the Bernice P. Bishop museum have been able to kindly provides me infos: this is Charles Aubrey Ely born 11 Dec 1913 in Pennsylvania and dead the 11 Mar 2006, I even have a photo. I will create soon a page here and a Wikidata entry, thanks again. Christian Ferrer (talk) 06:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Non English book titles

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There is an entomologist page Medvedev with a list of his works as an example. Some titles was transliterated from Russian. How should they be? In original (Russian) with translation to English? I saw the same situation with journal names and book series names, I think the same recommendation will be applied to them? Vmartyanov (talk) 21:25, 30 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

I usually create or edit reference templates with both original non-English titles (with their original non-Latin characters; e.g. {{Makino, 1940a}}, {{Pimenov, 2017}}) and its English translation so that more people could access them directly or retrieve their bibliographical information readily since OPACs of non-Latin countries such as Bulgaria, China, Japan, Russia, Thailand, etc. often contain only their native titles as far as I know. As for publication titles, however, their Latin-transcriptions (not translation) would be preferable since some publications are registered in such a way in external databases (e.g. Ботанический журнал as 'Botanicheskii Zhurnal' in IPNI). --Eryk Kij (talk) 06:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I tend to follow IPNI. May be I am just being lazy. On a related, but different matter I find it very frustrating that I can not find full text or abstracts of non-English papers through Scholar or similar search Engines. Andyboorman (talk) 07:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
On the latter point, search engines as a rule fail to recognise IPNI's standard journal abbreviations; finding the relevant full title can be surprisingly difficult, but once you get it, the search engines work well to locate the papers. I think we should stop using the abbreviations... - MPF (talk) 11:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Abbreviations are praxis for Names and not just on wikis. However, I agree are definitely not acceptable for references. Andyboorman (talk) 13:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

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BHL issue

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It seems to be difficult to reach certain parts of the BHL database at the moment, e.g. https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/28379510
Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 12:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Hm, seems to be fine for me at the moment? Though, Internet Archive experienced a DDoS attack a few weeks ago, which also caused problems for BHL at the time as a result, so I hope that isn't happening again right now. Monster Iestyn (talk) 19:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

The script common.js

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This script has recently become non-functional. Fixing it requires a far greater expertise that I have. You can have a look through here. Fingers crossed. Andyboorman (talk) 15:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I have contacted the script originator as well. Andyboorman (talk) 15:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
JavaScript file comparison
@Andy Boorman: The only difference I can see between your most recent version (October 2019) and the most recent version of Rillke's original script (September 2018) is that at the end of line 56 in your file the text says csrfToken whereas in the original it says editToken. I've added a screenshot were you can see the diffs marked with purple text (Rillke's version to the left, yours to the right).
Change that single word in your script and see what happens. An easier way may be to import Rilke's entire script, instead of copying the code. In order to do that simply replace all code in your commons.js file with the following code string:
importScript('User:Rillke/createRedirects.js')
You may need to refresh your browser and/or clear the browser cashe and cookies in order to see the changes. Good luck!
Tommy Kronkvist (talk) 15:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Andy Boorman: I see that you've now updated your common.js file. Did it help? Tommy Kronkvist (talk) 15:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

─────── For reference, the discussion with the JavaScript author can be found in Wikimedia Commons: User talk:Rillke.
Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 17:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Philip Malory Jones

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I have been unable to find any papers written, or taxa named, by Philip Malory Jones (1892-; mycologist; IPNI standard form: P.M.Jones). can anyone oblige, please? His death date is also needed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I found Plasmodiophora tabaci via Index Fungorum and based on that two more at mycobank.org: Plasmodiophora lewisii and Scopulariopsis lunaspora. Quasi-grip (talk) 12:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing) and Quasi-grip: Thank you both.
I've created the two reference templates {{Jones, 1926}} (for Plasmodiophora tabaci) and {{Jones, 1936}} (for Scopulariopsis lunaspora) as well as the corresponding Category:Philip Malory Jones taxa category. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 13:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Theobald Jones

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I created an entry for Theobald Jones.

IPNI lists:

Lecidea crombiei T.Jones ex Nyl., Flora 51: 345 (1868)

which work can be found at [8]. Have I included it correctly the above page?? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Tropicos IDs

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I have just added three types of Tropicos IDs to our {{Authority control}} template:

Please let me know if you spot any related errors. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! For reference, we also have Wikispecies templates that are somewhat related:
These will not (and should not) show up in the "Authority control" box though. Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 00:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Eponyms of object?

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Hello, as far as I´m aware there are only categories like Eponyms of person e.g. Eponyms of Kareen E. Schnabel. But I also know that the japenese deep diving submersible Shinkai 2000 is eponymous for the genus Shinkai- polychaete worms of the family Chrysopetalidae. Another example is Ophiuroglypha fendouzhe where the chinese deep diving submersible Fendouzhe is eponymous for. The japanese submersible Shinkai 6500 might be eponymous for Vestimentiferan endosymbiont 'Shinkai? And the name of the familia Alvinellidae may be related to the deep diving submersible Alvin as the french title contains "polychètes inféodées aux sources hydrothermales sous-marines"? But I can not prove my theory because I do not have access to the mentioned paper. So, my question is whether there is an category like "Eponyms of object (e.g.submersible)".Yeti-Hunter (talk) 16:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Honestly, I don't think such eponym category would be useful. There are hundreds of Greek or Latin epithets containing words for objects like sword, helmet, shield and plenty of others. --Hector Bottai (talk) 19:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Such data can be added to the equivalent item in Wikidata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I agree with Hector Bottai and Andy Mabbett. "Eponyms of person" categories may be useful since they often refer to individuals that are taxonomists themselves (hence are within the scope of Wikispecies, at least to some degree), whereas categories listing "eponyms of objects" would be of very little taxonomical value. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 00:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC).Reply
I´d like to thank you all for your answers and suggestions. It was not my intention to start a discussion about a new category. It was only about whether such a category already exists. I have linked the species with the submersible in Wikidata. I agree that this is a sufficient solution to point out the connection. Best regards Yeti-Hunter (talk) 11:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Gymnosperm Database Template

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@RLJ: @MPF: Has anybody come across a template for this resource? The Gymnosperm Database. If not is it possible to create one? Andyboorman (talk) 08:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I've never seen one and have never made one, but then, I find template creation tricky. One thing to watch for though, the urls of the pages do change from time to time, presumably changes in the server he uses. - MPF (talk) 08:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Andy, MPF, and RLJ: There's one available in English Wikipedia: w:Template:Gymnosperm Database. It utilizes a bunch of subpages in order to sort out prefixes and URLs plus distinguish between taxon ranks etc, so it may take some time to set it up correctly. Today is a busy day for me, but I'll create a local Wikispecies one early tomorrow morning (I'm in UTC+2, dst). I'll report back here when it's ready and after that it should be fairly straightforward for anyone to use. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk),13:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC).Reply
@Tommy Kronkvist: Many thanks. Andyboorman (talk) 15:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
It turns out we already have a template called {{Gymnosperm Database}}. It will need some work though. Stay tuned. :-) Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 08:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Nectriella moelleri vs. N. muelleri

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Our page on Nectriella has red inks for both N. moelleri and N. muelleri. Are these not the same name? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

According to Index Fungorum, these are different species: Nectriella moelleri Henn. [as 'mölleri'], Hedwigia 36(4): 219 (1897) and Nectriella muelleri Samuels, Rogerson, Rossman & J.D. Sm., Can. J. Bot. 62(9): 1899 (1984). --Thiotrix (talk) 08:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply