User talk:Christian Ferrer

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Referene template[edit]

Hello Christian. I've created the {{Sokolov, 1952}} reference template. Feel free to add more data to it if you can. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 01:59, 13 July 2019 (UTC).

Thank you Tommy. Christian Ferrer (talk) 06:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Images[edit]

Hi Christian: I see you uploading images of barnacle taxa. Thank you. If you could, please orient pedunculate taxa with peduncle down (e.g. Stephanolepas rotated 90° clockwise), as that is preferred orientation for study and illustration. Escallent pictures. Neferkheperre (talk) 20:38, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

That should be Trianguloscalpellum, not Stephanolepas. Latter is perfect. Neferkheperre (talk) 20:40, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
  • @Neferkheperre: ok, done. I made a rotation request [1]. I am currenlty uploading almost all the images of the Invertebrate Zoology Division, Yale Peabody Museum dataset available at https://doi.org/10.15468/0lkr3w. I am sorry to have removed the page numbers that you have placed near the species name and the citation of the author in a few page, I was thinking to do well, as the use of such references in this way is not quoted in Help:Name section neither in the ICZN. But in another hand it is not forbidden, I have reinstalled it here. I will check the other pages that I have recently edited to reinstall your infos. Regards, Christian Ferrer (talk) 21:05, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Rotation came out very well. Going on to Trianguloscalpellum, image looks a bit warped on the page, but clicking on it to full size restores proportions. Perhaps resizing thumbnail on taxon page would do it. One thing I have been working on is illustrations of primary types, installed as links on taxon pages. See Chthamalus grazianii and Euscalpellum triflagellum. Unfortunately, very few museums do as completely as MNHN. USNM gives detailed data page, and BMNH is very variable, and frequently provides only a photo of the acquisition ledger page. I find original citations very important in taxonomy, and try to get as detailed as possible. It is amazing how many taxon pages have no indication of original citations. I work on living and fossil barnacles, and am building the cirriped pages as a comprehensive reference base I and others can use anywhere armed with their mobile units, and not have to be concerned with local library facilities. This should extend to all taxa. I actually have been using data and illustrations from Wikispecies when I go to LSU and work on the paleo collections. Neferkheperre (talk) 15:29, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
If the image is warped on the page it is because of a cache issue, as the image is not here directly but called via a module. You have just to wait. You will likely be happy to hear that, when I will have finished to upload the invertebrate images from the YPM, it's firmly my intention to upload into Wikimedia Commons the freely licensed images of the impressive datasets owned by MNHN (included echinoderms, molluscs, crustaceans and fossils). I will follow your example and will provides the infos about types when I have, I usually already do it for publications. Christian Ferrer (talk) 16:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Template:H. Adams & A. Adams, 1853-1858[edit]

I just came across this and something this complicated should probably be a source page (with all the publication info details) with the volumes having separate templates, as with e.g. Prodromus systematis naturalis regni vegetabilis. Circeus (talk) 05:04, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. I hesited a bit before to create the template, so I followed the same way as WoRMS and created one reference page. If one want to create a template for each years (H. Adams & A. Adams, 1853, H. Adams & A. Adams, 1854, ect...) then each of those templates will countains several part of several volumes, the details is provided in the template that I have created, then the problem will be the same though, it's true, divided in 6. If one want to create a template for each volumes then each templates will correspond to a period of several years (vol 1: 1853-1854; vol 2: 1854-58; vol 3: 1853-58), once again the issue stay the same, but here divided in 3. Furthermore this last solution seems worst as the parts of the volume 3 correspond to the plates of the other volumes, the result will be the need to have two reference templates foe each new taxa described. But I will think at about your suggestion... Christian Ferrer (talk) 05:30, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
I wrote and meant separate templates for the volumes. I'm aware it's hardly a perfect solution, but any attempt at dealing with this work clearly is going to be awkward and less than ideal. In particular, I believe the page ranges (and the sources of these dates should itself be cited, btw!) would probably be better provided only in a source page. Mostly because a) links to source pages are a lot more prominent and clear than links to templates (which are a somewhat technical aspect of wikispecies) and b) you currently have the same dating information given both within the template itself and on the template page, which is highly redundant. Circeus (talk) 07:07, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Italics[edit]

I've noticed you italicize publisher+location in reference templates for books. What is normally italicized is a book or periodical's title. Article/chapter titles, publishers and place of publication are not italicized. In the case of books, you can generally get away with not italicizing anything. Wikispecies users are not very consistent about that. Circeus (talk) 22:37, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Other publications images[edit]

i have been creating citations for ZooKeys for some time. Earlier this year, i extended this to other pensoft journals with taxonomic articles. Are those images also uploadable to commons? If so, i can begin linking those articles as well. All of Pensoft's journals are open access, like ZooKeys. Neferkheperre (talk) 14:14, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

  • Yes, I think, though as I'm alone to uploads the images, and before that you created the categories,I was alone too to link the categories to Wikidata and to Wikispecies, I have a little fear that the categories will never be used, as manually it takes me more times to generate the uploads than the articles to be published.... therefore I wonder if it is very necessary to create the categories before the uploads... but to answer your question:
  • To be uploadable into Commons each files must fall within the c:Commons:Project scope.
All the images of taxa specimens are obviously fully in the scope of Commons as from an educational point of view, that is much less obvious (IMO) for text/graphes medias such as this one. Personally until now I do not upload them.
All the images are published in freely licensed articles (usually CC BY 4.0), so the license is ok, that's very fine. However there are potential issues with maps such as this one, because even if the maps are published in articles with free licenses, I doubt that there are no other copyright(s) on those maps other than those of the authors cited.
So yes, in my opinion when the articles contains images of taxa specimens, then you can link the articles, but if you see that some articles contains only graphes and maps maybe you can ignore them.
  • This discussion makes me think to something, until now, to create the categories on Commons we used the code {{hiddencat}} {{Wikidata Infobox}} [[category:Media from ZooKeys]], but I think that we should only use {{Wikidata Infobox}} [[category:Media from ZooKeys]], because I don't see a clear rationale to put those categories as "hidden", (I did it, because it was done before me), let me know if you are aware of a good rationale to put {{hiddencat}}, otherwise we should stop using it. Christian Ferrer (talk) 17:25, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
I do not see a rational for {{hiddencat}} either. Likewise I shall check articles for the nature of the media. We have always had trouble with maps on Wikispecies. Then when I go back to the other Pensoft journals, I will have to remember which one I am doing.
Possibly creating or re-engineering a bot to webcrawl for images would speed up life somewhat. Might want to check with Wikidata. Their operation depends heavily on webcrawling bots to fill out and update their pages. I mainly do little but create and label author and taxon pages on there. Neferkheperre (talk) 21:14, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Neferkheperre: Do not use anymore {{hiddencat}}, I will remove it from the categories already created. For the images, I'm still searching potential solutions, such as there c:User talk:Daniel Mietchen#Pensoft Publishers media. I think you should stop creating categories, this is time consuming for you. And I do it any way each time I upload medias. So the principle is good, and I respect a lot your efforts but this is like to begin by the end. Furthermore it's a bit misleading because when a link to a Commons category become available here or in Wikidata this falsely suggests that media is available in Wikimedia Commons, although it is not yet uploaded... I think you should don't lose your time by doing that. Furthermore if ever we manage to automate the process for to upload the images, or to create/link the categories, those empties categories may also be misleading. Christian Ferrer (talk) 23:07, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Full names[edit]

Christian,

If you add authors you have to publish the full names (if possible). You have make a redirect for example Alfred Kaltenbach to Alfred Peter Kaltenbach. This is an agreement we made in the past. The answer from Circeus is not correct. This moment I'm busy with Russian authors. In the beginning they published with one first name and one abbrevation name. After that they published with full names and now they published with abbrevation names with their backnames. I have make a correct redirect from Alfred Kaltenbach to Alfred Peter Kaltenbach. PeterR (talk) 13:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks @PeterR. I've corrected all old links to Alfred Kaltenbach so that they now points directly to Alfred Peter Kaltenbach. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC).

redirects to nonexistent pages[edit]

I noticed a couple of these on template:Koehler, 1914. I assume you intend to create said pages soon? Creating redirects that go nowhere is unhelpful otherwise as it creates the illusion of complteness. Circeus (talk) 16:41, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

It depends on what we mean by "soon", yes I intend to create those pages but I don't exactly when know when... I thought I would do well as they will have to be created when the targuet pages will exist. But ok, the next time I will create redirects only when targuet pages are created. Christian Ferrer (talk) 17:04, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

{{Commons}}[edit]

Bonjour, si j'ai causé une erreur, je suis content que vous ayez annulé l'édition. Quelle est l'erreur, s'il vous plaît?--Rosičák (talk) 17:06, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

  • Bonjour, je ne pense pas (bien que je ne sois pas sur à 100%) que cela comme cela que l'on traduit les modèles, votre édition a seulement fait disparaitre le texte en anglais pour la version dans un autre language. J'essaierai de regarder comment procéder... Christian Ferrer (talk) 17:21, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Oui, le but de ces modifications est de traduire dans la langue que vous avez définie comme interface par défaut. Si votre langue manquait dans le modèle, il se peut qu'elle ait été traduite dans une autre langue que vous avez comme alternative. Essayez d'écrire une traduction dans votre langue dans votre modèle. Viz: {{Commons category}}--Rosičák (talk) 18:28, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
J'espère que je n'ai pas fait de bêtises, j'ai mis un message dans le bistrot... Christian Ferrer (talk) 18:42, 27 December 2019 (UTC)