User talk:Rosičák

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–Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 20:46, 12 October 2015 (UTC).

Děkuji za přivítání a projevenou důvěru. Budu se v projektu zatím snažit především doplňovat názvy a obrázky. Časem uvidím.--Rosičák (talk) 18:58, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

–Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 20:16, 5 November 2015 (UTC).

Name Edit

Main Page

HTML code

Ahoj! O tato změna:

Earlier Wikimedia pages was shown as "XHTML 1.0 Transitional" web pages, with <br /> as the correct code for line breaks. However, now Wikimedia shows the pages using "HTML 5" instead, with <br> as the correct code for line breaks. The same as "old" HTML.

So, please use:  <br>
Do not use:  <br />

Okay? :-)

Česká Wikipedia:

• XHTML
• HTML5

–Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 23:32, 15 November 2015 (UTC).

OK.--Rosičák (talk) 04:15, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Vernacular names - cs, hu, pl, sk

Hi Rosičák - is it really correct that these take lower case even at the start of a line / sentence? In a list like this, remember each name is starting a new line, like in the index of a book; it is not in the middle of text. They should only be lower case if those languages do not start sentences with a capital letter ;-) Thanks! - MPF (talk) 22:54, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Ahoj. Opravdu je zvykem používat velké písmeno v záhlaví řádků a sloupců V tabulce. Toto není tento případ. V buňce je na stejném řádku uvedeno pravopisně správně jméno příslušného jazyka. tedy často i s malým počátečním písmenem. Shrnu. Pokud však mají mít názvy jazyků správný pravopis, mají mít správný pravopis i názvy species. Musíme je uvádět v základním tvaru, bez předpokladu, že mohou být užívána na začátku věty, kde se velké písmeno píše.Translate--Rosičák (talk) 14:56, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry Rosičák, but I don't agree with you. I agree with MPF. DenesFeri (talk) 07:55, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

@DenesFeri: Můžeš mi to prosím odpustit? Je to můj názor. Na druhou stranu. Můžeš snázeji, coby rodilý mluvčí maďarštiny zatlačit na ta správná místa, která na pravopis dohlížejí, aby se změnil podle tvých představ... Ale teď vážně.

Všimni si prosím i toho, že slovo ke kterému vztahuješ svůj názor nestojí v buňce na 1. pozici. Z tohoto důvodu nevidím nejmenší důvod proč psát velké písmeno a to zejména v případě, že předcházející slovo v buňce, které na 1. pozici stojí začíná písmenem malým.

@DenesFeri: Számodra - Bocsásson meg nekem? Ez az én véleményem. Másrészt. Könnyebben, mint a magyar anyanyelvű anyanyelvű, tolja a helyes helyesírás-ellenőrző helyeket az ötleteinek megfelelően. De most komolyan.

Kérjük, vegye figyelembe, hogy az a szó, amelyre a véleményedet utalod, nem az 1. pozícióban lévő cellában található. Ezért nem látom a legkisebb okot nagybetűs írásra, különösen akkor, ha az előző pozícióban lévő cellában lévő előző szó egy kis betűvel kezdődik.

@DenesFeri: For other passers-by - Can you please forgive me? It is my opinion. On the other hand. You can more easily, as a native speaker of Hungarian, push the correct spell-checking places to change according to your ideas. But now seriously.

Please also note that the word to which you refer your opinion is not in the cell in the 1st position. For this reason, I can not see the slightest reason for writing a capital letter, especially if the preceding word in a cell that is in the 1st position starts with a small letter.--Rosičák (talk) 17:52, 27 September 2018 (UTC) ┌─────────────────────────┘ Here are two final notes to this old but still somewhat relevant thread.

1. In the future it is possible that we will add automated (i.e. Wikidata-served) inter-wiki links from the Vernacular Names list. In other words that the vernacular names will be linked to their equivalent pages in Wikipedia, Commons, and so forth. If that's the case it would be best to use a leading capital letter, since the page names of those pages always starts with a capital letter on all wikis (except Wiktionary). Otherwise the Wiki servers must serve the user two pages (e.g. a redirect page and the "proper" page) instead of only one single page. That may add up to several tens of thousands of "extra" redirects per day, per server.
2. As described in and quoted from Help:Vernacular names section: "Note that as vernacular names are not an important part of Wikispecies, the vernacular names list in Wikispecies is only a summary; it is not intended to be a comprehensive listing of every local variant that has ever been used. Only include one name per language, which should generally be the standard name used in official publications in the relevant language." Unfortunately this last guideline can be hard to follow in practice (especially in "cosmopolitan" languages used in many different geographical areas), and is often disregarded by users. As an example see the Hungarian vernacular names for Rangifer tarandus which lists "Rénszarvas, tarándszarvas, iramszarvas, karibu" instead of just one as recommended. It would be easier to argue for the leading capital letter if only one vernacular name was used, as the guideline suggests.

Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 12:00, 26 November 2018 (UTC).

-typic

Tak jste mě předběhl v momentě, kdy jsem to chtěl doplnit, Díky!! --Kusurija (talk) 14:14, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Jestli to není tím, že nám jdou jinak hodinky... :)--Rosičák (talk) 14:21, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Ten editační konflikt mě stál rozkol v rodině a kýbl nervů. --Kusurija (talk) 21:11, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Nu což, to je úděl altruistů. Občas prožíváme totéž nepochopení od nejbližších.--Rosičák (talk) 03:10, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Tasks for Rosibot

I have some suggestions:

• Add {{Authority control}} to pages about authors, if not already present
• Add {{Image}} to (the top of) pages about taxons, if no image is present

Both templates can be used without parameters, will fetch data from Wikidata if possible, and will not display if there is nothing to fetch. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:48, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi,

thanks for suggestions. I think about it, but I can not promise anything. First I have to do what I have advised.--Rosičák (talk) 17:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Nice to see the bot up and running, and doing a good job! 😊 In addition to "Taxonavigation" it would of course be even better if the bot also added the {{int:}} string to the "Name", "Synonyms", "References" etc paragraph headings as well, but perhaps that's something you are planning for the future development of the bot?

By the way I took the liberty to add some explanatory text to the User:Rosibot page – I hope you don't mind? Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 16:54, 6 December 2018 (UTC).

Will try to gradually replace all the headings for which the translation template is created. I definitely plan on that. Next we will see. Bot could handle replacement of some templates for which there is a consensus to leave them, for example.--Rosičák (talk) 17:31, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing:* Add {{Image}} to (the top of) pages about taxons, if no image is present

started processing the request --Rosičák (talk) 09:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Please note that image}} can also be used on author, repository and journal (ISSN:) pages. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Edits will only be made for taxon pages (They contain a title pages (Taxonavigation) unlike the authors') in the main namespace if the page does not contain an image.--Rosičák (talk) 10:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Synonymy

Hi,

Who have decide to use int etc.?

PeterR (talk) 15:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi, the internationalization of titles is added to all pages sequentially. Because you have run away from my bot (Rosibot) when creating articles. I added it manually.

By the way, the next time you write to me the discussion page. :) [1] — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rosičák (talk • contribs) 16:35, 4 March 2019.

"eject HET Template"

Note the discussion on the Pump. Please stop using Rosibot for this purpose until discussion is complete and a possible vote is undertaken. Thanks Andyboorman (talk) 17:38, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

HET template changes

Hello Rosibot under the use by another editor has made unsolicited changes to the HET template on 547 taxon pages, for example Agave salmiana var. ferox. Are you able to undertake a mass revert of these changes? The template itself has been reverted back to its old format. Thanks Andyboorman (talk) 11:53, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I'll put the template back there.--Rosičák (talk) 17:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done--Rosičák (talk) 02:00, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks. Andyboorman (talk) 07:55, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Místní jména druhů

Ahoj, čirou náhodou jsem zabloudil na místní ŽOK ohledně národních jmen (nebo jak vlastně přesně ten termín "vernacular" překládat) druhů. Souhlasím s tvým postojem ohledně psaní velkých písmen - pochopitelně, přece nebudeme prznit jazyk jen proto, aby to vypadalo v tabulce hezky! - a teď se dívám, že pod tvou žádostí už visí další, která naopak směřuje k unifikaci. Nejsem úplně zběhlý ve wikibyrokracii - mohou tam hlasovat a komentovat i běžní uživatelé, nebo jen správci a byrokrati? Že bych se tam taky vyjádřil... --GeXeS (talk) 11:33, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Ahoj, můžeš to komentovat a domnívám se, že i hlasovat. Dost mě vzniklá situace mrzí, protože nakonec vítězí pouze záliba ve psaní velkých písmen (na základě pravopisného nepořádku v angličtině). Nechápu, proč by se měl komolit pravopis v jiných jazycích, které mají ohledně pravopisu species zcela jasno...--Rosičák (talk) 13:55, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Mimochodem, máš nastavenou češtinu na rozhraní? Se svým botem se snažím internacionalizovat především nadpisy v článcích.--Rosičák (talk) 14:00, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Díky, ozvu se tam. Přesně jak píšeš - anglická věda je snad bordelózní principiálně. Češtinu na rozhraní nastavenou mám, ale v samotných článcích se moc nepohybuji, spíš tady pracuji na překladu Nápovědy a rozhraní. --GeXeS (talk) 14:11, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello @GeXeS: As Rosičák said, all users are welcome to take part in all of the discussions at Wikispecies, and can vote in all polls. In fact all users are encouraged to vote, since the polls would be very unrepresentative of the WS community if only admins and bureaucrats could vote. We try to run an open community since Wikispecies will probably work best if the bulk of users consists of a wide variety of people: both men and women, both young and old, and preferably encompassing people from all continents and social classes. (However, votes from unregistered IP users will not be counted, since in theory a single user can vote from hundreds or even thousands of different anonymous IP addresses.)

On an other issue, as you both may know there are still some words often used by the Wikispecies GUI that are not yet translated into the Czech language. A full list of the translated as well as untranslated words can be seen at Wikispecies:Localization/cs. Please check the present translations for errors and click the red "cs" links in order to add new translations. You may be aware that the main Wikispecies:Localization page and some of its subpages are write-protected so that only administrators can edit them. If this is a problem for either of you (or other Czech users) I have created an unprotected subpage to my own user page which may be helpful. You will find it here: User:Tommy Kronkvist/Localization/Čeština. Feel free to verify the existing Czech translations on that page, and add new Czech translations for the missing words (please also have a look at the translation of the headlines). I will then relay all of your translations to the proper localization pages used by our servers.

As always, I will be happy to answer any questions or suggestions you may have. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 03:00, 20 September 2019 (UTC).

@Tommy Kronkvist: Hello! Thank you for the explanation and suggestions. I've been translating small pieces of GUI for some time now, I hope I'll get to it all, eventually, but as usual, the time is scarce. Hope my input into the discussion was helpful... --GeXeS (talk) 05:43, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Template:Africa

Stumbled across this while working through Special:UnusedTemplates. What's it for? Circeus (talk) 23:41, 19 November 2019 (UTC) Listing more here as I come across them for ease of reference:

• {{Arabian Peninsula}}, {{Asia-Temperate}}, {{Asia-Tropical}}, {{Australasia}}, {{Caribbean}}, {{Caucasus}}, {{Central America}}, {{China}}

Templates should be intended for translations of the same terms. Since the translation system has not yet been finalized (concepts are not internationalized), I hesitate to use them. The second way is the internationalization of concepts through wikidata.

--Rosičák (talk) 14:27, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Rosibot blocked, again

It's been doing some replacement and breaking hundreds of headers in the process, see Wikispecies:Village_Pump#Rosibot_misbehaving. Circeus (talk) 21:09, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@Circeus:Hello,

• 1.Since Rosibot wasn't working, there was no need to block him.
• 2.Although the last edits seemed to be wrong, it is not. Even a summary is fine, because it is a correction editing.
• 3.All edits that were made on 25.11.2019 were done semi-automatically and should be fine.

--Rosičák (talk) 14:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

This was Rosibot on 25.11., and it was not fine. Please be more careful, when using your bot. --Thiotrix (talk) 14:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

It's my fault. I waved it. --Rosičák (talk) 15:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Vyšší botanické taxony (japonština)

Zde vizte nástřel. --Kusurija (talk) 10:45, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Archaismy

Ahoj, opravy pravopisu diskuze -> diskuse chápu, i když už tento trend nějakou dobu nezastávám. Budiž. Ale tyhle dva pádové archaismy už se mi nelíbí. Podívej se na tu tabulku, jak teď vypadá. Buď tam nech "mimo rostliny", nebo to změňme na "kromě rostlin". To, cos tam udělal, působí jako z času Jiráska. --GeXeS (talk) 10:15, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Ahoj, tak tedy raději kromě rostlin. :) Oprav, nebo to udělám později já.

Dobře :o) (A omlouvám se, jestli jsem nasadil moc příkrý tón - příště si dám půlden reakční pauzy, ono mi to prospěje.) Přeji pěkný den! --GeXeS (talk) 06:18, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Your revert

That's simply no makes sense. "erased template translations into some languages": that was a bit the purpose as nowere it is used such a complicated text such as "Taxon identifiers on external data bases" but more simply "Taxon identifiers". Christian Ferrer (talk) 12:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC) You can see as exemples, the taxon identifiers in the English Wikipedia or even in GBIF itself. Christian Ferrer (talk) 12:16, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

• Note that I amanded it again, and all translations are available. Christian Ferrer (talk) 12:26, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the subsequent correction.--Rosičák (talk) 13:09, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

remove automatic {{Image}}

Hello. Would it be possible to remove the automatic addition of {{Image}} via Rosibot whilst there is deep suspicion of the template being expressed on the Pump. The resolution seems to be heading towards a banning of its use in this way. Thanks Andyboorman (talk) 17:42, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

OK. So I'll stop it in about 15 minutes. He will do something else. If the situation changes, let me know.--Rosičák (talk) 18:00, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done--Rosičák (talk) 18:03, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you and will do. Andyboorman (talk) 23:28, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello again. Following discussions on the Pump, I was wondering whether or not the following is possible to make changes to this template so that when used to make bulk changes;

1. Add itself only to the taxon pages with names that have two words - that is mostly species, ignoring single word taxa names, which would be higher taxa.
2. However, ignore taxa pages with two words one of which is in brackets for example Gaudichaudia, which would mostly be disambiguation genera pages.
3. Ideally species names would appear in italics, but this could be complicated by some taxa species page names being already italicised whereas other are not.
4. Finally it would be really great to remove {{Image}} from all taxa higher than species where this has already been added by mass use. Please!

These ideas have occurred to me from contributions on the Pump where the use of Rosibot to add images is thought as a generally good idea, but there are concerns.

1. The lack of italics around species, but not wanting them for taxa above the level of genus, which occurs during the import of unlabelled images, as the pick-up of the taxon page name for species or genera does not produce italicise labels, which is contrary to convention.
2. Adding an unlabelled species to taxa higher the species is very unhelpful and has to be manually rectified.
3. WD images can be badly selected on do not conform to presently accepted synonymy, but that is beyond a bot.
4. Photographs labels are often wrong or unhelpful, but that is beyond a bot.

I have some ideas about helping out with the later given that most contributors on WS are page improvers. Anyway just some thoughts. Thanks Andyboorman (talk) 19:58, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

• Should have added the typical manual usage such as Orchidaceae is much appreciated thanks!. Andyboorman (talk) 20:09, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

@Andyboorman::Hi, thanks for the message. I will try to. I will first try to remove the redundant template for higher taxa. (probably the biggest problem). It will be left where there is a parameter / description (inserted in our project).--Rosičák (talk) 12:24, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

That would be a great help, so kind of you. Andyboorman (talk) 12:57, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

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hi, Rosičák. This "tl:image" removing creates empty row in the header. Can it be fixed? It is visually a bit disturbing--Estopedist1 (talk) 18:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Rosičák could the bot please resume its removal process. I would like to instigate a discussion and vote once we are more or less back to status ante, excepting species of course. Thanks Andyboorman (talk) 06:48, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Unintended consequences

I am a firm believer in the Law of Unintended Consequences. Your use of Rosibot to add Image to all pages was well meaning, but has opened up a can of worms, as we say in the UK. I do think it needed to be reversed for higher taxa until debate can lead to a vote on consensus. I do not apologise for this. However, making mass changes through a bot should really go for discussion first and this is my strong advice. Your work highlighting inconsistencies across WS is very timely and valuable, so thanks. The debate on Images is interesting and we should see how this progresses in the near future, but clearly taxonomists are tending to advocate the use of this facility to provide high quality, representative and labelled pictures. Best regards. Andyboorman (talk) 06:46, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

See what I mean. This post was not intended for you, but was placed here deliberately by @Estopedist1:, I have no idea why! Sorry to bother you, please delete if you wish. Best regards Andyboorman (talk) 10:53, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Request for the bot

@Mariusm: all Pt-templates (eg {{Pt88.9}}) are redirects. What do you think, is following substition in the article (eg Sisyrinchium antemeridianum) possible with the bot:

{{Pt88.9}} -- > {{Aita et al., 2013}}

--Estopedist1 (talk) 06:43, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Bot is not worth it for 2 edits. I did them manually.--Rosičák (talk) 14:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@Mariusm: heh :) Please see User:RLJ/Pt. All these Pt-templates are redirects in articles. Many thousand I guess--Estopedist1 (talk) 15:49, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Please do not use BASEPAGENAME as you did with the above, but it is not accepted practice, which is to use the actual species/genus name as found in IPNI. Thanks Andyboorman (talk) 16:17, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, if I see it somewhere, I'll fix it.--Rosičák (talk) 16:44, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Bot still active?

Hi. Is Rosibot still active? There are a lot of spaces that use, eg, `Synonymy` rather than the {{int:Synonymy}} - I fixed a bunch manually until I looked at the scope and saw that there were thousands of pages to fix, so I realized its probably for a bot to do - if Rosibot isn't running anymore, I can file a request for my bot to fix them? Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 21:20, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I'll try.--Rosičák (talk) 15:15, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done Rosičák (talk) 04:14, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, could you maybe just run it on all the localisation fixes it does? Doing this manually, as I've done it recently, does not seem to lead anywhere, and the bot would be more efficient. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 11:57, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, do you have a specific request? Not all fixes can be run at once. Try to list here what is needed.--Rosičák (talk) 15:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

• Special:Search/insource:/==( *)primary references( *)==/i, Done
• Special:Search/insource:/==( *)additional references( *)==/i, Done
• Special:Search/insource:/==( *)links( *)==/i, Done
• Special:Search/insource:/==( *)basionym( *)==/i, Done
• Special:Search/insource:/==( *)Etymology( *)==/i, Done
• Special:Search/insource:/==( *)Distribution( *)==/i,and  Done
• Special:Search/insource:/==( *)synonyms( *)==/i  Done

definitely return some results, but I did not check all. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 16:10, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks. For some reason, already in the first one, the bot did not localise nine of the occurrences; I fixed them manually. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 15:10, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

This is because there is a space in the title between === and Prima ..., or the lowercase letter "p".--Rosičák (talk) 15:31, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Why don't you use a case-insensitive regex? 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 15:32, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I didn't expect lowercase letters in the title. It is rather an exception.--Rosičák (talk) 15:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Additional suggestions / requirements for bulk repairs

• Special:Search/insource:/==( *)link( *)==/i Done
• Special:Search/insource:/== *overview of species *==/i Done
• Special:Search/insource:/== *overview of genera *==/i  Done
• Special:Search/insource:/== *Hybrids *==/i Done
• Special:Search/insource:/== *Primary reference *==/i Done

Category redirects

Hello, could you write a script to move pages from redirected categories to their targets? See my recent contributions for examples. Thanks! 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 16:14, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Bulk move category content. there is some wiki widget for that, I'll try to ask. It's probably not easy for a robot to do this automatically for all such redirects, but I'll try to finish it. In individual cases, however, I can serve if you bring them here to me.--Rosičák (talk) 14:44, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

As you can see from my contributions, I had used Cat-a-lot, but the problem is there are dozens of such catregories. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 18:38, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

I see. This utility should always be used by the category shifter. At the moment, I don't have an easy solution at hand. I'm sorry (for now).--Rosičák (talk) 17:07, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Taxa authored 2

Hi, could you use Rosibot to replace all instances of {{Taxa authored 2}} with {{Taxa authored}} on taxon author pages? Would be great to finally get rid of the {{Taxa authored 2}} redirect. Monster Iestyn (talk) 22:43, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

I will do this if this change is in line with the wishes of the community. Will you guarantee non-controversy? --Rosičák (talk) 08:17, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

See the Village Pump vote we had last August which merged {{Taxa authored}} and {{Taxa authored 2}}, which also turned the latter into a redirect. I see no reason for there to be controversy, since the vote was unanimous. Monster Iestyn (talk) 10:40, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

O.K. released...--Rosičák (talk) 12:06, 28 March 2021 (UTC) Done

I do not suggest deleting the redirect though, as that would decrease many page histories' readability. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 13:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Робот уже заканчивает свою работу. Я не буду удалять редирект. Я даже не могу его удалить. Kоллега Monster Iestyn взял на себя ответственность за действие (на основании голосования) --Rosičák (talk) 16:19, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

If it's a bad idea to delete it for viewing page histories, then fair enough. (I don't have powers to delete pages either.) At the very least though, nobody should be confused by the template anymore in current versions of taxa author pages. For instance, I saw that an anonymous user the other day confused the "2" in "Taxa authored 2" for a taxa count. That was part of the reason I requested this be done to begin with. Monster Iestyn (talk) 16:54, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh, it seems there are still a couple of thousand pages using the redirect. Looking into these pages, it seems you may have to also replace the following with {{Taxa authored}}:

• {{taxa authored 2}}
• {{Taxa authored 2|g=f}} (This was for specifying female gender, I think that information can be obtained from Wikidata now?)
• {{taxa authored 2|g=f}}

I also noticed Charles Robert Darwin in particular uses {{Taxa authored 2|Charles Darwin}} but I'm not sure how many other pages might use that format. Monster Iestyn (talk) 19:09, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

It will be fixed as well.--Rosičák (talk) 13:02, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

One more for when the bot is done with the above: {{Taxa authored 2 |g=f}} (Thanks for doing all this, by the way.) Monster Iestyn (talk) 00:02, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@Monster Iestyn Not all pages have a Wikidata item, and not all Wikidata items currently tell the gender (heck, one user does not even use a P31 statement when creating new items for Wikispecies pages to say the object is a human). The "g" parameter is still defined in Template:Taxa authored (and the template does not seem to use anything from Wikidata), so I'm not sure what benefit there is from not just changing the template name and leaving the parameter there? 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 22:01, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@1234qwer1234qwer4: I could have sworn there was discussion about making it fetch gender from Wikidata, but maybe that never got any traction, my mistake then. Thankfully it seems Rosičák decided not to remove the "g" parameter uses anyway. Monster Iestyn (talk) 23:35, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

What the heck is a P31 statement? Never used one in my taxon page creations. No wonder taxonomically inclined editors do not want to engage with Wikidata or Taxa authored and similar templates. KISS please KISS. Andyboorman (talk) 14:09, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

@Andyboorman What the heck is KISS? P31 means "instance of"; I probably should have used the {{P}} template. I don't think you need to worry about that for taxon page creations; this only matters when creating new Wikidata items. Not sure how the Taxa authored template is related to this either, since we had just determined it does not fetch anything from Wikidata. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 21:12, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

See en:KISS principle; KISS = "keep it simple, stupid". Monster Iestyn (talk) 21:34, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about KISS comment. OK I have now got the P31 concept. Best regards Andyboorman (talk) 08:18, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

The structures of the template were definitely preserved. Action (perhaps) completed. Rosičák (talk) 11:57, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Template Just

Hello. This template seems to have acquired a format glitch since your last well meaning edits - see Terniopsis as an example. Cheers - Andyboorman (talk) 08:51, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, the template or the marked phrase needs to be translated.--Rosičák (talk) 14:52, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I am a taxonomist/botanist not a linguist, but it looks OK now. Andyboorman (talk) 18:06, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

{{Taxonbar}}

Hello. Could you get your very useful bot to completely remove {{Taxonbar}} from taxon pages. It is banned [2] as you can see, but recently some editors are unilaterally adding it. I have contacted them to suggest they go to the Pump for a ban reversal by consensus. Many thanks. Andyboorman (talk) 20:34, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@Andy Boorman: I've removed the {{Taxonbar}} template from 382 taxon pages, which I think is every one in main namespace where it was used. The template's page is still referred to by the Village Pump archive, a few Modules and some user- and template talk pages, but after my latest edits it's no longer actively used as a template on any page. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 03:40, 14 April 2022 (UTC).

@Tommy Kronkvist:. Thankyou. Is it time to revisit the discussion? Andyboorman (talk) 06:58, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

@Andy Boorman: Yes, I think so. The template has its qualities, and the fact that its also used on 53 different language versions of Wikipedia might render us some automatic benefits via Wikidata. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 07:29, 14 April 2022 (UTC).

Why does our version look different to WP? Andyboorman (talk) 07:41, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

What was the point in removing the template if you hope to restore it later anyway? 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 15:41, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

If I may intrude—I guess because if it is currently "banned", it should not be (unilaterally) added to multiple pages, but if we can get the ban reversed (I would also be in favour, and have been intending to bring this forward), then it can be legitimately (re)added, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:28, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

┌────────────┘ @Andy Boorman: Both the Wikispecies' and the Wikipedia version of the Taxonbar template relies heavily on Module:Taxonbar which is imported into both templates. I haven't checked the codebase very thoroughly (yet) but a quick glance at the Wikipedia version of Module:Taxonbar shows that it's rather different from the Wikispecies version. Also the Wikipedia version of the template exclusively makes use of the code in the module (the enWP template only consists of three lines of code, and all they do is insert everything that's in the module), while the Wikispecies version of the template also incorporates quite a lot of code that's not related to the module at all. Quite frankly the easiest way to fix this would be to delete the Wikispecies versions of both the Taxonbar template and the Taxonbar module, and then instead import the Wikipedia versions of them into Wikispecies. My guess is that we only need to make slight adjustments to them after that. It's a quick fix that will most likely work and it would only take me ten to fifteen minutes. However from a community perspective its a big change so I feel we need WS consensus before hitting the "Go" button on that... Re-adding the new version of the Taxobar template to the taxon pages is just a swift bot-job away. (Removing the 382 instances of Taxonbar I refer to above took 37 minutes, mainly because for the sake of data integrity I manually checked every single edit the bot was about to make. Adding them back again will not take much longer, should we agree to do so.) Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 19:44, 14 April 2022 (UTC).

@Tommy Kronkvist: Sounds like a plan. Thanks. Andyboorman (talk) 19:51, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

• Greetings to all. I think that inserting a template is appropriate, but we should discuss and possibly regulate the list of published - relevant databases to which we refer.--Rosičák (talk) 18:09, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Tommy Kronkvist: @1234qwer1234qwer4: @Rosičák: The discussion on the Pump is now up and running smoothly - please participate as you wish and if you feel your above thoughts will help then they can be added there. Thanks Andyboorman (talk) 06:48, 17 April 2022 (UTC)