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Hello Caftaric! Do you happen to have a citation/reference for the synonym "Pristomachaerus H.W. Bates, 1873" on the Callistomimus page you created? It would be most welcome. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 01:11, 4 March 2019 (UTC).

No I don't. The synonym comes from the BioLib page, which desn't give any further reference. Cheers. Caftaric (talk) 06:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Ok, thanks anyway. I checked BioLib and probably 20 other web references prior to asking you here, but without luck. The information seems to be very hard to find... :-) Regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 18:57, 6 March 2019 (UTC).

Redirects for vernacular names[edit]

Hello Caftaric, I have noticed that you create a lot of redirects for vernacular names, e.g. Eugléniens, Euglénien, Euglenacées, Euglenacée (all for Euglenaceae) and many more. At the French Wikipedia, those redirects might be useful, but here at Wikispeces, vernacular names are somewhat out of our project scope. As Wikispecies is a database for taxonomy and nomenclature, we create redirects for synonymic scientific names only. Kind regards, --Thiotrix (talk) 11:36, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Anyway, those French vernacular names are not prone to generate any needed disambiguation. So I imagine, they are rather harmless. They redirect to pages, where a section of vernacular names exists, where they can be found facing the "français" entry. They all come from the "Eukaryota" page, in the "Chatton" section, where they were written like these, in plain French, in the text, as if they were scientific names. I also saw that, in the following sections, English vernacular names were also used. Cheers --Caftaric (talk) 17:34, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Ah, I see. But it is not necessary to create redirects for this purpose. If you want to link to a page with different name, just use the format [[page name|link name]], e.g. [[Euglenaceae|Eugléniens]]. Cheers, --Thiotrix (talk) 09:28, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I know that, but thank anyway! --Caftaric (talk) 15:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Template:Janvier, 1985a[edit]

Salut. Juste quelques remarques concernant l'usage des lettres pour différencier les modèles de références:

  • Si on déplace un modèle pour cette raison, ne pas laisser une redirection (une des cases à cocher de Special:MovePage le permet), surtout dans le cas présent, puisque cela contredit l'utilité même d'avoir une différentiation!
  • En pratique, nous ne suffixons généralement pas de lettres à l'année dans le texte du modèle lui-même (même s'il y en a dans le nom du modèle), à moins que les deux articles publiés la même années doivent être explicitement cités dans le même article.
  • Il découle de ces deux points que s'il y a deux modèles à différencier, la pratique sur Wikispecies est plutôt de commencer la séquence avec "Dupont, 19XX", puis "Dupont, 19XXa" etc. plutôt que "19XXa" et "19XXb".

Bonnes contributions! Circeus (talk) 02:11, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Oh, et parce que c'est pratique à savoir: un peut générer le lien et catégory sur ces modèle avec {{subst:reftemp}}. Circeus (talk) 02:20, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Merci pour ces explications. Je pensais bien faire! --Caftaric (talk) 05:35, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Pas de problème. Dieu sait que ce n'est pas facile de commencer sur un nouveau wiki. Circeus (talk) 06:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC)


Hello! I noticed you are creating some references in the format of simple text, which is anyway welcome. Meanwhile, with a litte more elaboration, the preferred way is to create a template that would be useful for several applications on an easier way and all linked. Just for you to understand what I mean (english is not my primary language) see this example that I created starting from your edition. Template:Sclater & Salvin, 1859. The section regarding the new species described is a lot more difficult and it is optional to go that deep. Cheers. --Hector Bottai (talk) 16:51, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

I understand. I'll see what I can do for now. Thanks. --Caftaric (talk) 05:52, 30 November 2019 (UTC)



was probably a little quick I did not realise you were editing, Cuvierichelys is identified as a Mauremys group which would place it under the Geoemydinae in the absence of anything to the contrary. You should use the template {{Geoemydinae}} instead of {{Geoemydidae}} in the genus page under taxonav. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 07:47, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Wow! Nice notice about that subfamily assignment. Will do what you recommend. Cheer! --Caftaric (talk) 07:49, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

ébauche de références[edit]

Ça serait probablement mieux d'attendre d'avoir la référence complète avant de créer un modèle. Si les petites corrections ne me dérangent pas, avoir à reconstituer une référence aussi incomplète que template:Aymard, 1846 ou Aymard, 1850 n'est pas une activité que j'apprécie particulièrement.

Je crois que "Aymard, 1846" est une communication publiée en fait en 1848 (Erinaceus nanus est mentionné en page 243), mais je ne suis pas sûr que ce soit là une publication valide, même si le code zoologique est passablement relax sur la question. Circeus (talk) 21:14, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

OK. En attendant merci pour la correction de Aymard, 1850. Je vois ce que je peux faire pour Aymard, 1846. Cordialement, --Caftaric (talk) 06:41, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Localization and translation[edit]

Hello Caftaric. Please note that translations in Wikispecies should not be made within the actual taxon pages, author pages, or reference pages. Adding all translations to all pages is not a good thing, since it makes the code of every single page bulky and/or hard to read. Instead translations are better served by the MediaWiki {{int:}} transclusion magic word in combination with the Wikispecies Localization database. That way we don't need to add any inline translations to every single taxon/author/reference/template- or category page. An example of our present standard system is how we use =={{int:Publications}}== or =={{int:Primary references}}== when we add the "Publications" or "Primary references" headlines to author- and taxon pages. That is all that is needed, since together with the {{int:}} magic word, the Wikispecies Localization database then takes care of the rest and automatically translates all instances of the phrases "Publications" and "Primary references" to which ever language we need. (Provided of course that the translations have been added to the database...)

This means that some of the templates you have recently created may very soon be altered or deleted, since the translations to for example French "Espèce type" and "Localité type" as well as German "Typusgattung" etc. are already in the Wikispecies Localization database, which should be used instead.

Please head over to the Translation Administrators' noticeboard if you have any further questions. Also, as you can see on the Localization database page, quite a lot of words in various languages still have red links (i.e. are not yet added to the database.) The database is locked and can't be edited by most users, but feel free to add suggestions for such translations on the Localization project's talk page. They will then soon be added by a Translation administrator or a regular admin.

Lastly, please again note that{{int:}} is an interface magic word, used for transclusion. It is not a template, and will not work as a template. I'm not saying that your are one of them, but many users are a bit confused by that. :-) Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 18:48, 27 December 2019 (UTC).

Actually, I've been confused by the use of that magic word, thinking at first it was part of a template. Thank you for getting me updated. I think that, at least some of the templates I recently created, were dealing with, as far as I could foresee, translations not taken charge of by the Localization project. But I'll be happy to comply to the rules of the project, and I'll help with the transfer of data to that depository, in due time, as needed. Cheers, --Caftaric (talk) 19:02, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
I see. Well, all of the translations in for example the {{Int Similar groups}}, {{Int Type}} and {{Int Synonyms or similar groups}} templates are supposed to be handled by the Localization database. The problem is that even though the whole WS localization project launched in 2016, it didn't really get up to speed until early 2019. As a result we still have much, much work to do, but we'll get there! Any help and constructive ideas is of course welcome! However, entirely new systems such as your new templates must be discussed on Translation Administrators' noticeboard before they get implemented. The same is of course also true for other big changes, which depending on the subject should be discussed at the Village Pump or on the Administrators' Noticeboard. Some specific issues may also be handled by our (very few...) Tech ambassadors but most things should be discussed by our regular admins and/or the whole community at the Pump. Regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 19:43, 27 December 2019 (UTC).
There are also the templates {{Int Gender}}, and {{Overview of}} to talk about. Does it happen that you know how I contact Wikispecies Administrators' Noticeboard? Thank for your precious help. --Caftaric (talk) 19:48, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Use the link I gave you above, i.e. Wikispecies:Administrators' Noticeboard. Also, there is an ongoing discussion about parts of this at the Village Pump: Wikispecies:Village Pump#Translations of templates. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 20:21, 27 December 2019 (UTC).
Thank you for my introduction in the Village Pump discussion. I left a message there stating that what user:Christian Ferrer has done on the "commons" template is better than my experimentations with independant translation templates. If his change is authorized I would do the maintenancce to link the pages with my template to the normal commons template, then ask for the deletion of my own templete. Cheers, --Caftaric (talk) 05:29, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
(for your information) I informed the Administrators' noticeboard this morning. Cheers. --Caftaric (talk) 05:38, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── Again, "translations in Wikispecies should not be made within the actual taxon pages" as noted above. Also, if you find captions on images that are anything other than the taxon name, they should be removed. We generally prefer a simple image (or two) and at most the name of the depicted taxon. Wikispecies avoids adding captions in any language. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:03, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I tend to include author name and year of photography when adding pictures of author's to author pages, but other than that I agree with EncycloPetey. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 00:41, 3 January 2020 (UTC).
read. --Caftaric (talk) 12:55, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Parlez-vous, mon frère[edit]

Please include categories when you make templates. The "WhatLinksHere" part is also helpful for these reference templates but not strictly required. Merci. —Justin (koavf)TCM 14:09, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for the advice. I'll see what I can do for now. Cheers, --Caftaric (talk) 17:54, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Done for 100 (exactly, isn't that strange) templates. Cheers, --Caftaric (talk) 19:24, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Great work. If you need something deleted, please don't just blank it but add {{Delete}}. I very much appreciate your help here at Wikispecies but take a look at my contributions and logged actions and you will see several thousand of them just cleaning up errors from the past few days: it's a lot of work and every bit helps. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the {{Delete}} advice. I saw that blanked pages were not deleted. Cheers, --Caftaric (talk) 06:28, 12 February 2020 (UTC)