User talk:Nytexcome

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Formatting of wikispecies pages

Hello Nytexcome, and thank you for your contributions to Wikispecies. Please read Help:General Wikispecies for our formatting rules, and especially Help:Taxonavigation section, how the "Taxonavigation section" should look like (we use templates for the parent taxon). Unlike Wikipedia, please add all references into the "References section". See how I did it on Emiliana and Tropiduchinae.
To make way for genus Emiliana (Tropiduchidae), I have deleted the incorrect redirect to Emiliania (Chromista). If you need further help, just ask at our discussion forum at Wikispecies:Village Pump. Kind regards, --Thiotrix (talk) 12:08, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

@Nytexcome: For an example of our recommended format for taxon pages, please use this diff. for reference. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 13:14, 14 November 2018 (UTC).

How to work with templates for parent taxa

Hello Nytexcome, if you want to insert another parent taxon, like the subfamily Tropiduchinae, it is not at all necessary to edit all the subpages of this subfamily. You just have to edit the templates for the few tribes of this subfamily (direct children taxa). Look at my edit for Template:Eutropistini. I replaced the parent template Tropiduchidae by Tropiduchinae. If this is a red link, you can create a new template, see Template:Tropiduchinae for an example. (See also Help:Taxonavigation section). If you need more explanation about templates, don't hesitate to ask. I know this may be a bit complicated for new editors, but indeed it is a very comfortable system. Kind regards, --Thiotrix (talk) 11:35, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

and please do not use BASEPAGENAME, this was an old way of editing that should no longer be used. --Thiotrix (talk) 11:36, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Please look at my discussion page for my answers of your questions. --Thiotrix (talk) 13:33, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

New genus pages

Hello Nytexcome, I have noticed that your new genus pages could be improved to meet our standardized Wikispecies form:

1. . The heading "Taxonavigation" should be at the start of each taxon page, but never be used in templates! I have removed it from Template:Neotangiina ‎ and Template:Tangiina.
2. . Please use a genus template on genus pages, see my edit for Tangella. I have created Template:Tangella, so you can take it as a model for your genus templates.
3. . Always add a species list to genus pages. {{sp|G|enusname|speciesname1}} {{splast|G|enusname|speciesnamelast}}
4. . For providing the links to the author pages, template:a has to be added for each authority separately: {{a|Author1}} & {{a|Author2}}, .
5. . Finally, please add a category for each taxon authority: [[Category:Full-author-name taxa]]. You will find the full name by following the authority link in the name section.

I hope these tipps are helpful for you. If you like some more detailed help, please just ask me. Kind regards, --Thiotrix (talk) 09:21, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Hemihomonyms and homonyms

Hello Nytexcome, about your edit at Mabokiana (disambiguation): This is not a hemihomonym (that would mean, the same name is given to a plant and an animal, and both are valid names). But in Mabokiana, both are animals, which makes the later name an unvalid younger homonym. Usually we would need only a page for the valid name, and the younger homonyms can be noted after the synonyms section under an ===Homonyms=== heading. If you need help with such kind of homonyms, please ask our zoology editors at the Village Pump. Kind regards, --Thiotrix (talk) 16:29, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Macvicaria

Classifications change. Because of this, disambiguation pages should disambiguate using the authors' names, rather than current placement in a classification. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:28, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Enantia

Hi Nytexcome, I just wanted to inform you that what you did here and here is not the correct way to do this: one shouldn't directly copy page contents because this loses the edit history. You should instead first have moved the page Enantia to Enantia (Pieridae), in order to 1) preserve the history and 2) keep the Wikidata item linked properly (which at the moment is still linked to Enantia). Then, only after the move, Enantia can be edited to point to Enantia (disambiguation). I am temporarily requesting deletion of Enantia (Pieridae), so that we can redo things properly. Feel free to ask if it is not clear. --LamBoet (talk) 01:48, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

OK, it was deleted, I made the page move, and one more important thing was to fix the page links. Kind regards --LamBoet (talk) 17:11, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Please correct refs

You moved Schizochilus to Schizochilus Sond. to allow for the hemihomonym thanks and good work. However, the links on the Reference Section did not work, for example {{WCSP}}. You need to modify the link by adding, for example Schizochilus, to the end and this applies to all of them, including Commons. You can see what I have done for this genus. As far as I can gather, you never undertake this fix and we would be grateful if you could correct this error in future and for your earlier changes. Not all of these are on my watch list, so I can not easily correct! Best regards Andyboorman (talk) 08:36, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

• Hello Andyboorman, Thank you for your recent comments on Schizochilus to Schizochilus Sond. I'm sorry but I don't understand what you are trying to say concerning changing links. It's true a still don't have a full understanding as to all the myriad workings on Wikispecies, but I fail to see how changing a page name changes any data links to outside web pages. If you are referring to Wikidata items (of which I know nothing), why would you want to change Schizochilus to Schizochilus Sond. which is a total fictional creation set up for Wikispcies purposes and bears no relation to reality for those outside Wikispecies. The only other page I have moved was from Leucon to Leucon Krøyer (to make way for disambiguation page). Please help my confusion. Thanks Nytexcome (talk) 02:26, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello Nytexcome. Link outs like {{WCSP}} use the page name as a default, however, the search on a name like Schizochilus Sond will not find a match in their database. In order to correct this you add the actual name to be searched at the end. The required syntax then becomes WCSP|2019|Mar.|26|Schizochilus. This has to be repeated for {{IPNI}}, {{MBG}}, {{TPLF}} and so on including {{Commonscat}}. By the way Schizochilus Sond. has been changed to Schizochilus (Orchidaceae) by the original editor. Hope this helps Andyboorman (talk) 08:36, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

William John Swainson

Hello Nytexcome, I noticed you moved William Swainson to William John Swainson, thanks for that. Just to let you know, the categories Category:William Swainson taxa and Category:Eponyms of William Swainson also needed to be moved to match the article's title (I just did it!). All the pages in these categories also needed to be recategorized; to do that I used the tool Cat-a-lot (I posted on PeterR's talk page information on how to use it). Also, the links to William Swainson in the different reference templates could be updated. Best regards, Korg (talk) 21:34, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

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Merging of Hygrophila

Hello Nytexcome, thank you for merging Hygrophila (Superordo) and Hygrophila (Gastropoda). The merging is not complete, as there are still many links to Hygrophila (Superordo): https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Hygrophila_(Superordo). Please have a look at those linking pages, probably they use an outdated template. If you have all corrected and nothing links to them anymore, the page Hygrophila (Superordo) and the template {{Hygrophila (Superordo)}} can be sent to deletion, by typing {{delete|add reason here}}. Kind regards, --Thiotrix (talk) 12:50, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

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Pseudorodentolepis author

Hello Robert! I've added a primary reference (including most author names) to the Pseudorodentolepis page you recently created, however I wonder whether you happen to know the full name of "G.S. Shaikh"? Thank you for your contributions! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 05:59, 12 January 2020 (UTC).

My best guess is Ghulam Shabir Shaikh, Associate Professor of pathology at Chandka Medical College and Shaheed Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto Medical University in Pakistan, but I have a hard time finding any good, definitive sources. His ResearchGate page can be found here, if that's helpful. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 06:22, 12 January 2020 (UTC).

Hello Tommy, ZooBank has 2 entries for the surname Shaikh. One entry is G. S. Shaikh and the other is Ghulam Shabir Shaikh. Both author names have different articles concerning Trematoda in Proceedings of Parasitology. It would seem highly unlikely that there are two different parasitologists working in the Pakistan/India region with the same surname and same two initials. Consequently, I am assuming they are the same individual and have revised page Pseudorodentolepis to show full name as Ghulam Shabir Shaikh. If you have any further comment, please let me know and thanks for calling this to my attention.

Kind regards, Nytexcome 09:00, 12 January 2020 (UTC) (The edit was moved here from User talk:Tommy Kronkvist#Pseudorodentolepis author, since it is easier to follow a discussion between several parties if it is kept on the same page. This is Wikimedia praxis.)

Thank you for your swift reply – and of course also for your edits related to this issue. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 10:00, 12 January 2020 (UTC).

I went ahead and set up Wikidata items for the author pages you created: Q81800247, Q81781017, Q81799924 & Q81799663 for Rajab Ali, Fatima Mujib Bilqees, Haseen Fatima and Ghulam Shabir Shaikh, respectively. As a consequence our Wikispecies author pages will be populated with additional data and references if and when such information is added to their respective Wikidata items. If available in Wikidata, fetching that data to Wikispecies is done automatically by the {{Authority control}} template you may have seen on some of our Wikispecies author pages. Also, the data will be automatically shared with all Wikimedia sister projects, not just Wikispecies but also Wikipedia, Wikinews, Commons, Wikisource, etc. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 10:26, 12 January 2020 (UTC).

Page blanking

Why are you leaving blank pages like Montfortia? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:09, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

New species and genre

I see you doing some excellent work adding new pages. Just a heads up if you are willing, to add the link back from an already existing wikidata item. The serves the purpose of having the wikipedia pages (if they exist in various languages) appear on WikiSpecies in the In Wikipedia (languages) section in the bottom left. Example: https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ezona I searched Ezona on wikidata, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5015237 and added the wikispecies topic to that page. This is very useful to the project when you have quickly verified all applicable references for the WikiSpecies project. Another example is https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Duploperaclistus which I linked to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5017272 and from your work I was then able to add Paul M. Martens as the taxon author and 1983 as the year of taxon name publication with the additional property taxon author citation.

— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Robertreadman (talk • contribs) 09:14, 23 February 2020‎.

With all due respect and not wishing to seem uncooperative, I have no desre to spend any of my time editing Wikidata items. Firstly, I have no idea how to do this and secondly I can see no value at all to the Wikidata project, since any user can find what he/she wants on either Wikispecies or Wikipedia. If you and others on Wikispecies feel there is merit to the Wikidata project, I respectfully suggest that a programming change be made so that Wikispecies items are automatically linked to Wikidata items and vice versa. I see that you have added a template {Authority Conrol} to some of the new pages I have set up. If you find this to be important, I will gladly add this template to any new pages I create. Please let me know. Kind regards, Nytexcome (talk) 04:25, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, to address the points you're making, re (2), the value of so doing - by linking wikispecies pages to wikidata, they then appear in the sidebar (on the left of the page) so you can navigate easily between wikipedia and wikispecies - even if say you're a user with a different alphabet or character set - and see there are interesting pages on wikispecies about the taxon/taxa you're looking at on eg zh.wikipedia; it's not so much about benefitting the wikidata project per se, as linking wikipedia (and Commons) and wikispecies; re (1), here is an example for Bretega (one of your Cicadellidae pages); often there's a wikidata item already, in which case you simply enter/paste the eg genus name into the search bar in the top right then scroll quickly to the bottom of the page, where it says "Multilingual sites" - add "species" (for Wikispecies) then eg Bretega; otherwise you select "Create new item" (fourth line down from the top in the sidebar on the left) and enter a label (Bretega) and description ("genus of insects"), which results in this [1]; you then add the link to the Multilingual sites as above [2], and complete the taxon-related entries as follows: [3] [4] [5] [6]; it only takes a minute; Bretega unfortunately at the moment has no wikipedia page in any language, but once the pages start being written and linked to/via wikidata, wikispecies will be there already, thank you, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:33, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

For example, here is one that someone fixed for me: Congruus congruus - Ukrainian wikipedia the only link for now, but it means non-Ukrainian users of wikispecies can potentially glean information from uk.wikipedia, while Ukrainian wikipedia users who want to know more can enter the linked world of wikispecies... Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Why [7] ?

Why are you emptying the page? If something is wrong with the page, you will need to have it improved or deleted. Just emptying is not okay. --Killarnee (T•R•P) 17:06, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I agree, and this is a very important issue. If you find a page that should be deleted (as in this case), simply blanking it is not okay. Quite frankly blanking pages is more or less never okay, and may be seen as vandalism which will lead to your user account being blocked. Instead, pages that needs to be deleted should be marked with the {{Delete}} template, leaving the rest of the page intact. This will automatically add the page to the Candidates for speedy deletion category which is constantly monitored by us administrators, and it will then be dealt with fairly quickly. The reason behind this standard procedure is that it makes it easier to harvest different data from the page before deleting it (data sometimes invisible to non-admins), which may be important to keep our logs correct and up to date, or for copyright issues. I've now deleted the page –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 18:27, 26 February 2020 (UTC).

Thanks Tommy for reminding me of this. I believe the page in question was blanked before you had told me about the delete template. Kind regards Nytexcome (talk) 05:38, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the first time the "Speedy deletion" template was mentioned to you was by Thiotrix in early October last year, in the #Merging of Hygrophila section above. The now deleted Karenia (disambiguation) page we discuss here was:

1. created by Murma174 at 22:48, 24 March 2016
2. blanked by you at 05:03, 2 September 2019 (i.e. exactly one month before Thiotrix' note, to the day)
3. restored to Murma174's version by @Killarnee at 16:43, 26 February 2020
4. …which you reverted 20 minutes later, and then…
5. 3 minutes after that you added the text "This page is a duplicate of Karenia and therefore this page Karenia (disambiguation) needs to be deleted !" to the page (your emphasis).
6. Finally, the page was deleted by me at 18:05 that same day.

Anyway, please remember not to blank pages in the future. By the way this also include talk pages: if they get to grow to bulky over time they should be archived rather than blanked. Have a look at my talk page for an example of such archives.

Regards, Tommy Kronkvist, 10:59, 27 February 2020 (UTC).

Author categories

Hi Nytexcome! Please don't remove author categories from pages, the template "author2" is a recent create template and is not consensual your use. Its use disables the hotcat gadget. If you want you can go to VillagePump and discuss the use of template author2 with the community and get a consensus for its use. Regards, Burmeister (talk) 20:32, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Taxonbar is not consensual too! See here for a discussion in VillagePump. Regards, Burmeister (talk) 23:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

"Empty" headers

Hi Robert. Please don't remove page sections that contain other subsections, as you did for example here. The "Links" section is a sub-section of the "References" section; hence the "References" section on that page isn't empty and should remain. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 01:18, 5 September 2021 (UTC).

Placodiscus

Hi. Please notice what I have had to do with the reference templates for Placodiscus You have to do this because of the Sapindaceae in the genus template and this has to be undertaken every time. It is an easy fix when you do your disambiguation work. Cheers Andyboorman (talk) 15:02, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Disambig fixes

Please note that when you create a page such as Rustia you must also edit links such as {{WCSP}} and {{IPNI}} in order for them to function correctly. I have made the required changes. Regards Andyboorman (talk) 07:15, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Can you please disambig fix the links under Morinda? Andyboorman (talk) 13:12, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Got your message. The page Rustia (Rubiaceae) does not link out correctly in the templates; WCSP, IPNI, MBG and Catol-Hassler, for example. The reason is the templates work on the page name, but the databases do not have an entry for Rustia (Rubiaceae) just Rustia. By adding Rustia, for example as; WCSP|2022|Sept.|12|Rustia it forces the search on Rustia not the page name. Does this help? Andyboorman (talk) 12:48, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Taxon author pages

Hi, I noticed that you create taxon author pages with initials for given names. I don't know if there's any specific Help guideline or past Village Pump discussion to refer to here, but as far as I'm aware it is considered better to use full names for authors, or as full as possible? For instance I've renamed your "J.R. Jones" page to Joshua R. Jones based on the article that Qilia was described in: [8]. And T.T. Shang as far as I can tell should be named "Tingting Shang" going by [9]. Hope this helps! Monster Iestyn (talk) 03:22, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Hi, Thanks for the info in your 1-31-23 user page revision

Firtly I would like to thank your for the stupendous jpb you've recently done in updating author names. Vey useful and greatly apprecieated. Secondly in regard to authors Jones and Shang It was my fault for not more fully ressearhing these names. I agree full author names should always be used if possible. I had started using author initial (if there are two iniials) in creating pages. I started doing this since I had seen other editors doing the same thing. My personal opinion is that having two initials for a surname is better than not having the author name at all. This may create duplicates (as in ZooBank) and this would need to resolved by an administrator. The alternative would be not to set up the name and probably forever losing the taxon/author connectionn. Thanks again for your info and best regardsNytexcome (talk) 00:06, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation! Not a problem, I was not doubting the usefulness of a taxon author page with only initials for given names (I agree, it is better than not having the author name at all), just puzzled that the pages were named like that when the full given names could be found in the article abstracts online. Monster Iestyn (talk) 02:10, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Article names for taxa in subgenera

Hello Nytexcome, for the title of taxa in subgenera, please use the binomen (e.g. Phenice bicornis, not Phenice (Diplophenice) bicornis). For subspecies use the trinomen, without the subgenus in brackets. The reason is better stability, because the classification to a subgenus may change. Additionally, "overview of species" lists for the genus are easier to handle. Thank you and kind regards, Thiotrix (talk) 11:35, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Adding 'orphan' species

Hi there. When you exclude a species from a list such as Acuera labella which you did, please preserve a link to it in the parent genus, perhaps under the title 'Species in synonymy', otherwise the name will be 'orphaned' which we try here very strenuously to avoid. I'm working now to reduce the number of the orphaned pages from 3400 down to a more respectable number. Thanks, Mariusm (talk) 15:40, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Note in some taxon pages

Hello Nytexcome, I saw that you added a note in some taxon pages (example: Eryascara integrata#Note:). What prompted you to add it?

For information, I have connected the page to the corresponding Wikidata item with this edit. The {{Taxonbar}} is now displayed, but without the Catalogue of Life link found in the Wikidata item (it was added then removed following several discussions: [10], [11], [12]). What should we do so that the note you added can be met? Korg (talk) 22:02, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Korg, Thanks for bringing up this problem. While the Taxonbar is a very useful tool, it is by no means infallible.

I have discoverd that not all links listed in Wikidata make it to the Taxonbar and not all that do, are in fact active links.

My point is that a link should not be arbitrarily deleted on the taxon page without checking to see if it is on the Taxonbar and is actually a live link.

The note I put on some taon paes was npt the best way to sollve this problem but I was frustrated by the fact that some administrators do whatever they please and ignore common consensus and edit pages to suit their own taste.

I have stopped adding that npte to pages until I could figure a better way to stop this vandalism. Please give me ypur thoughts on this subject.

Kind regards Nytexcome (talk) 01:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I took the liberty of indenting your message (diff), so that the discussion is easier to read. For information, there is a "Reply" tool that was introduced some time ago; you can click on the [ reply ] link after the signature, and your reply will be automatically indented.

Do you have some examples of such deletions? I would like to have a better understanding of the matter.

Also, besides the Catalogue of Life link, what other external links found in Wikidata are not in the Taxonbar? Korg (talk) 10:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Korg, The following pages (which are possibly the tiip of the iceberg) sbould show what I' m talking about: Zhangolidia, Cyrta (Cicadellidae), Singillatus, Calodia, Cracenpsaltria. In all cses the deleted active live links are not on the Taxonbar. The main point is that active live links should not be deleted unless they appear as live links on the Taxonbar. To do otherwise is either stupidity (the belief that the deleted link will magically appear on the Taxonbar) or just plain maliciousness. Thanks for ypur attention to this matter. Kind regards, Nytexcome (talk) 14:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the examples. I note that all the edits you refer to were made by Neferkheperre. Did you contact him about the matter? Such conflict should be addressed through discussion. I did a quick check, and I do not see any "vandalism", it is a strong word that should be used judiciously. Please refrain from using words such as "stupidity" and "maliciousness", and please assume good faith. I do not know what his intention was in removing links; the reason could have been explained in edit summaries. That being said, I agree with your main point. I'll take the time to review the changes carefully and make the appropriate edits on Wikidata, so that the Taxonbar could display the missing links. I'll come back to you later. Best regards, Korg (talk) 23:00, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Korg, I wish to apologize jf the words I used previously were inapprppriate. It was not my intent, I assure you, to cause any offense. Please keep me informed with any information. Thanks for your help in this matter. Kind regards,Nytexcome (talk) 13:35, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Nytexcome, this episode highlights the importance of communication, and the need to discuss any disagreements with the user(s) concerned. I noticed that you used the term "administrators" in your first reply. The role of the administrators is primarily technical. To quote Wikispecies:Administrators: "Administrator access is not meant to imply editorial authority on the project."

I've checked the changes made to the pages you were referring to. The links that have been removed can be found in the Taxonbar. In the Calodia page, I've added the link to the World Auchenorrhyncha Database in the Links subsection, as it is not available in the Taxonbar for the moment: there is no property for this database in Wikidata yet, but I've made a proposal for it to be created.

In the taxon pages where your note appears (search), there is a link to Catalogue of Life, which is no longer in the Taxonbar following several discussions. What do you think about readding CoL in the Taxonbar? Korg (talk) 12:55, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Korg, Thanks for your kibd reply. I would like like to strongly urge reconsideration fpr including CoL on the Taxonbar. With the recent major overhaul of CoL, entries now include author, date, synonyms, extensive references and distribution which can be found by clicking on the taxon line entry.

In short, most of the items Wikispecies strives to supply. It also provides breakdown into subfamiliae,tribus and subtribus which is absent ftom both GBIF & IRMNG.

The case of 3i is unusual. The actual 3i web site has not been updated since November 2019, but updates are to be found on CoL and are only 2 monhs old. Of the 3 other data bases CoL uses (FLOW, COOL & MOWD) for Subordo: Auchenorrhyncha only FLOW is reasonably up to date and is accepted by Taxonbar. COOL & MOWD are up tp 12 years old and are best replaced by 3i.

Also I feel Biological Library should be accepted by Taxonbar as it covers most of the taxa on GBIF and mpre important shows breakdown into subfamiliae etc.

In summary I feel both CoL and 3i as well as Biological Library shpuld be lncluded on Taxonbar, Thanks for your consideration of my thoughts. Kind regards,

Nytexcome (talk) 23:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Nytexcome, I have indented your message: [13]. It seems that you edit your whole talk page; you can only edit the discussion section if you want. Also, the Reply tool is very useful, as it indents replies automatically.

For CoL, I've started a discussion at the Village Pump: Wikispecies:Village Pump#Readding Catalogue of Life to the Taxonbar?

The World Auchenorrhyncha Database has been migrated from using 3I to TaxonPages/TaxonWorks, and is now located at https://hoppers.speciesfile.org/, please see https://hoppers.speciesfile.org/about for more info. It may be added to the Taxonbar later, if the community deems it useful: d:Wikidata:Property proposal/World Auchenorrhyncha Database ID.

Biological Library (BioLib) is included in the Taxonbar, see for example Epiacanthus nigritus. Of course, the identifier has to be added to the Wikidata item. Korg (talk) 17:24, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

┌────────────┘ Hi Nytexcome! There is no objection readding Catalogue of Life to the Taxonbar, as per the Village Pump discussion. But I've noticed that there are problems with CoL identifiers, that's why I haven't made any changes yet. To take Epiacanthus nigritus as an example, there is the Catalogue of Life identifier 6FQ48 in the corresponding Wikidata item Q10486065, but if you click on the link there is a message saying "Deleted - This name once existed but has been removed." A very large number of names are concerned. I emailed CoL asking for more information about this change, but I haven't received a reply yet. Maybe there will be more info with the next release in a few days.

The World Auchenorrhyncha Database can be added, since a new property has been created: World Auchenorrhyncha Database ID (P12057).

What label should we display? "World Auchenorrhyncha Database"?

The acronym?

Or another name? Korg (talk) 17:02, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello Korg, Thanks for your kind reply. The CoL link failure is very strange. When adding a link to a page, I always check the link on the preview page to see if it works before hitting the pulblish button. As to what caption to use for the World Auchenorrhyncha Database on the taxon bar I personally prefer to use the shortened name of just "3i". The acronym WADB, when I first saw it, did not register with me as I had never previosly seen it in use. So I would say to use either "3i" or "World Auchenorrhyncha Database" on the taxon bar. Please advise if you find out why the CoL links are not working. Kind regards, Nytexcome (talk) 11:48, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

The problem with the CoL links not working is that they have changed part of their identifiers, using long identifiers instead of short ones for certain groups (e.g. 66cbc54f-f4b8-4d1c-a163-1aa62fe28a90 instead of 35945 for Dialodia proxima), but not for all groups (for plants, they still use short identifiers: e.g. 3ZTJ8 for Mercurialis annua). I don't have any more information at the moment, but if I do I'll let you know.

I've added the World Auchenorrhyncha Database to the Taxonbar, with the long label "World Auchenorrhyncha Database" instead of "WAD"/"WADB" or "3i". I agree with you about WAD/WADB, they don't use those acronyms. As for "3i", it still appears in the name of the site before "World Auchenorrhyncha Database" at https://hoppers.speciesfile.org/, but I guess that's mainly to keep the original name, when the database was hosted at http://dmitriev.speciesfile.org/ using 3i (Internet-accessible Interactive Identification). They now use TaxonPages (see https://hoppers.speciesfile.org/about and the "Announcements" section). In the citation (in the "Citing" section and at the bottom of the page), the database is named World Auchenorrhyncha Database, and "3i" is not used. But I don't want to impose my point of view, the label can always be changed.

To view the World Auchenorrhyncha Database in the Taxonbar for a particular taxon, World Auchenorrhyncha Database ID (P12057) and its value must have been added to the corresponding Wikidata item. Here are some examples with taxon pages you've recently created:

• Dicodia germari - Q10471508
• Dialodia undulata - Q123517213
• Nisitra testacea - Q123474301

Best regards, Korg (talk) 14:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello Nytexcome, there is news from Catalogue of Life in their November release post (there was also information in their October release post). Long identifiers were temporary and have been removed. Now that the identifiers work, I've added CoL to the Taxonbar.

There are still 5 notes from you left in taxon pages, I suppose they could be removed? Korg (talk) 14:37, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello Korg, DONE ǃ Thanks for info. I thought I had removed all of them. Kind regards, Nytexcome (talk) 16:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome, and thanks too! Korg (talk) 22:43, 2 December 2023 (UTC)