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Only one vernacular name per taxon, please[edit]

Hello Maculosae tegmine lyncis. Please note that as described in the "Usage" subsection of Wikispecies' guideline about Vernacular names, we should only include one, single vernacular name per language. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 14:39, 18 May 2021 (UTC).

Hello, sorry, I had missed that; shall do so from now on (even if determining the best authority becomes harder); thank you for the notification, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 14:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)


Hi again. Please add more data to the recently created J.A. McNamara-page, if you have access to it. I wasn't able to find any equivalent Wikidata item either, but that's most likely due to the lack of given name/praenomen for him/her, since there are literally thousands of of McNamaras listed at Wikidata. :-) Full name or at the very least scientific disciplines is most welcome, and should also be added to the McNamara disambiguation page. Thanks! Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 20:06, 5 June 2021 (UTC).

Hello, thanks for creating the disambiguation page (and for the localization assistance - more on its way in due course) - unfortunately though I can't find anything more. I found a long list of publications of a J A McNamara Jr, a specialist in teeth, but beyond that have drawn a blank, Maculosae tegmine lyncis 20:31, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
@Tommy Kronkvist: Now at Q107118053. Possibly the James A. McNamara who co-authored this paper? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:05, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
@Maculosae tegmine lyncis: could you please share that list of publications; or rather, a link to it? Might be helpful in the search. If that's inconvenient sending the list by email to will also work.
@Andy: Could very well be. The paper printed 1997 and listed together with the BHL Creator ID also mentions an M.L. Augee (acknowledged on for example our Monotrematum sudamericanum and Obdurodon dicksoni taxon pages) but that paper may refer to a different McNamara since it doesn't explicitly say "James A.", only "J.A."
As for ResearchGate "James A. McNamara" is mentioned in 215 publications, and "James A. McNamara Jr." in thirteen. ORCID currently lists eight "James McNamara" altogether. Thank you both for your efforts, in either case. Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 22:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC).
[1] (and James A. McNamara) - but I think this is a red herring. Maculosae tegmine lyncis 23:00, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


On another note, what is the best way to proceed with eg (Wondiwoi tree-kangaroo) Dendrolagus mayri and Dendrolagus dorianus mayri: MSW(2005) lists it as a subspecies, ICMW(2020) as a species (Don Ellis Wilson is one of the editors of both; I intend to produce a reference template for this new illustrated checklist as it's the most up-to-date universal reference); I have moved Wallabia kitcheneri to Congruus kitcheneri so could do the same - but should I leave a note or a question mark against the taxon in its old location? Should I remove Wallabia kitcheneri from Wallabia, or as there is a redirect is it best left as it is? Thank you, Maculosae tegmine lyncis 23:00, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Also, eg Sarcophilus laniarius (Owen's Dasyurus laniarius) and Sarcophilus harrisii, where S. laniarius is either a separate species or "the same lineage that experienced dwarfism during the Pleistocene" [2], Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 09:31, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Using asterisks when calling templates[edit]

Just a short note and of no huge importance, but have a look at this diff if you want. Also consider the edit summary there, about asterisks. :-) Regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 06:56, 9 June 2021 (UTC).

Thanks/sorry, shall avoid/correct, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 07:59, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
No problem. Actually, my edit summary is a bit indistinct. It should say "The asterisks are included in the reference templates themselves (except for some rare exceptions were the template is sometimes supposed to be used within other templates, rather than be used alone."
Examples of such templates are {{ISBN}}, {{IUCN}} and {{ZooBank}}, to name a few. Those do not include a leading asterisk. Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 08:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC).

Note about D.G. Medway[edit]

I've recently created the author page David George Medway (1939–2013), using the {{Gill et al., 2010}} template you edited earlier today as a starting point. Even though he was a solicitor by trade rather than ornithologist, Medway published at least a hundred papers and works on the taxonomy and paleornithology of birds. Most of them were published in different New Zealand-based journals. I thought this information might be of value to you since you've created almost 40 new reference templates in just four days, many of them relating to birds. Happy editing! :-) Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 18:27, 9 June 2021 (UTC),

If I knew how to send one of those thank notices, I would (many times in fact by now), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 00:09, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
One can do that by clicking the "View history" tab (near the top of the screen, adjacent to the "Edit" tab) and then click the "thank" link next to the edit summary of the particular edit one wants to recognize. By using these revision history pages it's possible to send thanks also for very old edits. You can only send thanks one single time for any specific edit; after that the "thank" link will be replaced by the word "thanked", without a link. As far as I know it's not possible to reverse or "take back" a thanks either.
Note that (for whatever reason…) some users may have disabled the notification for thanks in their user preferences. You will still be able to thank them for their edits, but they will not be aware of it since they didn't receive any notification. Please also remember that all "thanks" are public and will show up in public logs – not that very many users ever read the logs, except for us admins… –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 01:44, 10 June 2021 (UTC).

Phorusrhacidae incerti ordinis[edit]

Hi. Regarding Andrewsornis and for the sake of clarity, do you think we should mention the incerti ordinis status of Phorusrhacidae somewhere in the Taxonavigation section? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 10:41, 13 June 2021 (UTC).

Hello, yes, that's certainly a good idea. I tried to add incerti ordinis at the end of the family line, but that did not work very well. If you are able to insert something appropriate to the Andrewsornis page, I can copy it across to the other genera/species; else, shall try something else (and thank you for the fix), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 10:48, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Have added Ordo: incerti ordinis, that seemed to work much better...Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 10:58, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Yep, that's usually how we do it. :-) FYI: I guess you already know this, but we never add "incertæ sedis", "incerti ordinis" etc. to the name of any taxon page, hence not to any taxon page links either. The reason is that the names of our taxon pages should always be equal to the actual taxon names. That being said, unfortunately we do have quite a lot of pages with incerti… etc. still in their names. The reason is that some years ago we had a small number of very prolific contributors who ignored this rule, and they managed to produce several hundreds of such pages until admins finally caught up and banned them (though most often they were banned for other, more severe reasons as well). The more experienced of us Wikispecies users tend to move/rename any such incertae page when we come across them, but it can be tricky since they are often transcluded or otherwise linked to by lots of other pages. It's a rather tedious and time-consuming process, but in the best of worlds the new links should be updated on all of the transcluded pages as well. Sooner or later we'll get there. If by chance you sometime happen to have an extraordinary amount of extra time on your hands, please feel free to help sort them out. :-) Kind regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 11:43, 13 June 2021 (UTC).
I think Template:Incertae sedis (Testudines) and Incertae sedis (Testudines) can now be deleted - they now each solely link to the other (Tools:What links here); if so, I'll pick the remainder up at a later date, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:50, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice. Both the taxon page and the template are now deleted (log 5293528 & log 5293529). As you pointed out they were only linked by each other (and by this talk page, of course). Kind regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 00:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC).
That makes complete sense to me, about not adding incertae ordinis etc. to the names; a pity about the prolific/banned users, I noticed someone who had set up many of the pages I've been looking at is now permanently blocked; stumbled upon Incertae sedis too, now begin to understand; would be interested in exploring these – I would have thought the multiple secundum option would be one way of demonstrating the taxon is incertae sedis, and adding genera dubia and genera excludenda (whether explicitly excluded or simply omitted from a complete discussion/list) might help help too. Unfortunately I'm on more than borrowed time, so once I have come to the point I can break off from the Phorusrhacidae in the next day or two, I'm unfortunately going to have to go cold turkey until mid-September, but if as welcome then as I have been made to feel now, I'll certainly be back, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 14:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

───────────────────────── Users who are eager to contribute in a positive and constructive way are always welcome, so no problem there! And taking some time off from editing is certainly not a problem either, since we're not on the clock here.

As a community we haven't yet got around to finalize any set policy or guideline for marking taxa as tricky/fishy/dubious or whatever. That's unfortunate but understandable since most users are way more interested in contributing hands-on to the taxonomy and nomenclature of taxa, rather than poking around with technicalities. We do have a set of templates created in order to help mark many of these special cases, but it's incomplete, seldom used, and then often in a non-standard way. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 14:41, 13 June 2021 (UTC).

One possibility might be to update the gbr templates etc so that there is an indicator of certainty as one of the parameters, or eg to add a (repeatable) two-part "| vel | x |" parameter:
  • Genus: Anas → {gbr | Anas | vel | Sibirionetta} → "Genus: Anas vel Sibirionetta" (per the IOC it's now Sibirionetta, but there are many authorities)
  • Species: Anas formosa
That would work nicely for the Phorusrhacidae for sure, eg to give: "Ordo: Cariamiformes vel Gruiformes vel Ralliformes", etc, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:26, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
I've seen that you're using the {{gbr}} and {{fbr}} templates (named of course from "Genus/Familia with line BRake") within the Taxonavigation sections of taxon pages. That's not wrong, as such, but originally they were only meant to be used within Taxonavigation templates – e.g. {{Casuariinae}} – rather than directly within the taxon pages themselves. Hence using them together with vel and/or other such (multiple) distinguishers may invite misunderstandings. As you suggest it would work well on taxon pages, but if users start adding vel, incertae…, nom. prov. etc. to the taxonavigation templates then the situation may soon get out of hand. The reason for this is that each taxonavigation template can sometimes be used for a whole variety of different taxa, and not all of them share the same problematics or shortcomings (if any). Hence in some cases the added "extras" to the templates may simply be wrong. Good idea though – it's worth considering when the community is (again…) ready for it. However as always with templates there is a very real risk of overcomplicating things. Tommy Kronkvist (talk). 16:22, 13 June 2021 (UTC).
I've added a subsection for conjunctions such as "and" & "or" to the list of translations; see here: Wikispecies:Localization#Commonly used conjunctions etc.Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 11:12, 18 June 2021 (UTC).

Template:Taxa by author[edit]

Please use {{Taxa by author}}, as in this edit, in your good work. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:25, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, yes, thank you, also for fixing, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:15, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Same publication?[edit]

Link to purge the browser cache for a specific Wikispecies page.

Hi. Do you now whether the publication referred to in the {{Phillips, 1935}} template is the same as the one referred to by the Wikidata item Q60138803? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 21:23, 7 July 2021 (UTC).

Hello - I think {{Phillips, 1935}} is the subject of the review at DOI: 10.1038/137968a0 PDF that is the topic of Q60138803; I've created a new item and linked to the pre-existing one; but there's a slight lag so I can't link in the other direction yet as the new item is not recognized (though perhaps a bot completes reciprocal reviewed in / review of pairings). And as above, I really, really must stop until mid-September - perhaps at the weekend; am slightly addicted, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:54, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
I use the Bodleian+ catalogue quite often, as it's pretty good, and looks nice too - makes the British Library catalogue seem a little clunky, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 22:05, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for all of the above. The Bodleian+ catalogue looks good! By the way and as for lag, I guess you know that you can purge the server page cache for pages you're reading/editing in Wikispecies? There are several ways to do so, for example there is a "purge cache" link near the bottom of the "Page" dropdown menu near the top of the screen (see screenshot). Features likes this one are common in most of the Wikimedia sister projects, but can look or be placed a little different between projects. (And I think some of them must first be activated in your user preference settings.) –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 22:42, 7 July 2021 (UTC).
Thank you - I have ticked the box in preferences, and now see that option; not really related and probably a more fundamental issue, but do you happen to know why sometimes links say from enwiki to jawiki don't show up in the sidebar, and you have to remove say the enwiki link from wikidata and re-add it? Is there a way to reset as if making a new connection, ?triggering the routine that makes them appear?, without doing this? (interval) PS, that purge cache function is excellent - it's just worked on the link from Felis chaus kutas to the right Commons category, where it initially appeared something more needed to be done; thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Daughter taxa of Felis chaus[edit]

Hi again. Since they aren't members of Felis, should Catolynx chaus, Lyncus chrysomelanotis, Lynchus erythrotus and Lynx ruppelii really be members of the Taxonavigation section of Felis chaus? Shouldn't they instead be listed in the "Name" section as synonyms, or something like that? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 16:53, 9 July 2021 (UTC).

You may have detected a little uncertainty from my formatting (of course, as fixed, if one wishes to see what the C. is, one simply clicks on the link - thank you); in general, the nova et vetera nomina section is an attempt to assemble in one (convenient, easily navigable) place all names that have been used in relation to Felis chaus and/or its subspecies (leaving aside orthographic variants such as F. jacquemonti(i), which shouldn't cause too much confusion), so that if one accounts any of them, one can see what this is now understood to represent; this includes F. c. pallida, which apparently is in fact not Felis chaus at all, but F. bieti, so it's unclear whether this should have priority for inclusion over L. chrysomelanotis, which does in fact relate, but starts with L. instead of F.; it also wouldn't feature in a synonyms section (unless there was a separate "historic, not actually related synonyms"-section); apparently there are other issues with F./L. ruppelii (would one be included, not the other), to do with sensu or partim, which may be best addressed through a disambiguation page; already, there are three divisions, rather than simple alphabetical order (F. c. ... / F. ... / Other); ideally one would keep narrative to a minimum, but if one starts having lots of different sections (sensu etc) & different categories of name, or moving some names not others to the synonyms section (which might make a good addition (but, like Pocock, 1951, is largely addressed via the subspecies pages (valid taxa or not)), soon the ease-of-use benefits of one unified list would be lost; also apparently Lyncus chrysomelanotis is a synonym specifically of F. c. furax, so perhaps better included there, and followed there via a redirect; similarly, on the Felis page, the section includes tigers, which are no longer Felis as such; some initial thoughts..., Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:25, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
phew… Now that was a long sentence! Face-smile.svg But I get your point, so thanks. Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 22:42, 9 July 2021 (UTC).

Shōji Kobayashi[edit]

Hi Maculosae tegmine lyncis. In the {{Kobayashi et al., 1995}} template you recently created, is perhaps Shōji Kobayashi identical to Shuji Kobayashi? Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 20:47, 10 September 2021 (UTC).

Hello again - have tracked down the Japanese characters, and they're different, so I don't think so, but thanks for the pointer, have added the characters and CiNii ids to their wikispecies/wikidata pages (even if, from what I can make out, in some cases the same individual has more than one CiNii ID), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 22:19, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Good work with all of the Japanese authors – both here and at Wikidata. Thank you! Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 00:51, 11 September 2021 (UTC).

Autopatrolled rights[edit]

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Publications tittles[edit]

Hi friend. Not very important, but times ago it was discussed and recommended to keep tittles as originally published. See this Gould article that you recently edited removing a capital letter on Birds. Cheers.--Hector Bottai (talk) 12:18, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you for letting me know—and for the template(s) in the first place; I tried a little search for this, but am more than happy to proceed as you say (adding italics and a/aut templates along the way), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 08:23, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Alden H. Miller[edit]

I have moved the above to Alden Holmes Miller is that OK? Andyboorman (talk) 14:15, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

More than—thank you, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 14:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
Admins can do moves easily just ping me if needed. Cheers Andyboorman (talk) 14:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)