User talk:Lichenes

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Please sign your comments on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username (if you're logged in) and the date. Please also read the Wikispecies policy What Wikispecies is not. If you need help, ask me on my talk page, or in the Village Pump. Again, welcome! A little late, after 326 edit the last 30 days, good work! Dan Koehl (talk) 12:41, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Some issues[edit]

Hi, you are doing good work, but there are some issues. Firstly, it is widespread convention to omit a leading "The" in journal titles, e.g. Lichenologist, not The Lichenologist. Journals often refer to themselves using the "The", but we are not the journal, so we can and should use the wider convention. Secondly, please familiarise yourself with, and use, reference templates, if at all possible. Hard writing the same citation multiple times isn't helpful. Links to content may change, for example, but using a template we only need to change them once, not multiple times, and if you hard write citations, we cannot easily even find them to change them. Thanks Stho002 (talk) 03:34, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Autopatrolled rights[edit]

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Dear Lichenes, You have been granted autopatrolled user rights, which may be granted to experienced Wikispecies users who have demonstrated an understanding of Wikispecies policies and guidelines. In addition to what registered users can do, autopatrollers can have one's own edits automatically marked as patrolled (autopatrol). The autopatrol user right is intended to reduce the workload of new page patrollers and causes pages created by autopatrolled users to be automatically marked as patrolled. For more information, read Wikispecies:Autopatrollers.

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Theres always a need of patrolling files edited by unregistered users, and if you think you have a good understanding of Wikispecies policies and guidelines and want to help out with patrolling, you can request patrol rights at Patroller.Dan Koehl (talk) 18:27, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Join discussions[edit]

At the water pump is presently discussed two topics;

1.) is to follow a previous consensus and change all [[BASEPAGENAME]] into [[susbt:BASEPAGENAME]], something which already has started.

2.) is what to do with the Category: <<taxon name>> (<<any country>>) files created by Stephen Thorpe. Some 5 000 have so far been moved together at Candidates for speedy deletion, but concearn has been objected, that some of those files may be useful, in all, or that parts should be transfered somewhere, before a major mass delete. Please join the discussion at pump and take part in shaping a consensus.

Best regards, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:48, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Preferred format for citations and references[edit]

Hello, and thank you for your very welcome contributions. One thing though: When adding publications to taxon and author pages please first see the Wikispecies Help:Reference section for a few hints on the preferred Wikispecies format. (By the way the same format should also be applied when creating new reference templates.) Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 16:01, 10 March 2017 (UTC).

Hello again. I'm afraid your edits almost never comply with the format stated as preferred by Wikispecies consensus, policies, and guidelines. Please again read Help:Contents and its subsections – especially Help:Reference section – as noted above in December 2014 by Dan Koehl.
  • You often use non-standard author abbreviations, instead of the internationally accepted IPNI standard. As an example you often use "S.Y. Kondr." (with spacing) instead of the correct "S.Y.Kondr." (without spacing), or "A. Thell" instead of the correct "A.Thell" (again, the IPNI standard does not use spacing). Small differences, I agree, but only one of them is correct and the standard is there for a reason. For comparison "Homo sapiens sapiens" is a valid taxon, while "Homo sapienssapiens" is not.
  • You almost always use "short-hand" author templates instead of the standard author templates. For example you use {{a|Müll. Arg.}} and {{a|A. Thell}} – and again with incorrect spacing! – instead of the correct {{a|Johannes Müller Argoviensis|Müll.Arg.}} and {{a|Arne Thell|A.Thell}}. Please see the template pages {{A}} and {{Aut}} for information on how to use them properly. There are two reasons why your system is unrecommended:
  1. the "short-hand" code does not make it clear exactly which author is intended, since the same author abbreviations can be shared between several botanists and zoologists (this is also one more reason to follow the IPNI standard abbreviations, when available)
  2. your links does not point directly to the author page, instead they are always routed via a redirect page. This forces the Wikimedia servers to handle two documents instead of just one, plus it clutters up the page (since it says "Redirected from NN." on the final page).
  • You frequently use non-breaking ("hard") spaces ("&nbsp;") in your author pages and references (example). This is unrecommended, since it can mess with how pages are rendered on different user devices. Personally I almost always use a nice 27 inch high-resolution computer screen where hard spaces are not a problem, but more and more of our users visit Wikispecies using their mobile phone or tablet, and on such small-screen devices non-breaking spaces can tamper with legibility.
Regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 03:16, 1 December 2017 (UTC).
Thank you for your kind advice. In my knowledge, IPNI's author abbreviations are not always internationally accepted. For example, "S.Y.Kondr." (or "A.Thell") is used only in IPNI (and Wikispecies?). "S.Y. Kondr." (or "A. Thell") is always used in original papers. Space is required. In addition, "Asah." has been widely used for "Yasuhiko Asahina", but IPNI's abbreviation is "Asahina", which may cause confusion when searching. There are many such examples. However, if using IPNI's abbreviations (or IPNI-style abbreviations) is a rule in Wikispecies, I will follow it. --Lichenes (talk) 13:37, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
I guess the author abbreviation format isn't exceptionally important, as long as the wiki links are correct. For example we occasionally need to change the same links on several Wikispecies pages at once; this happens when duplicate author- or taxon pages are merged, and other such instances. This is fairly easy to do semi-automatically with a bot, but can get complicated if there are a lot of redirects. We've had cases where page A is redirected to page B, which in turn is redirected to page C, which then again redirects back to page A... This is of course wrong, but fixable. However if for some reason page B is changed before the chain of links gets mended (perhaps page B is named after a synonym that is elevated to a species of its own, for example) then the whole chain of links between A→B→C→A will break. Hence in order to avoid broken redirects and double redirects it is always best not to link to a redirect page, but instead make sure to link to the proper one. As for linking to author pages we also have several hundred templates formatted and with a naming scheme like {{G.B.Ownbey}}. These were almost all created by one specific Wikispecies user, all points to a redirect page, all of them are malformed (using HTML and CSS instead of true wiki code), and as far as I know using them has never been recommended. Again, the easiest solution is simply not to use them but instead opt for the proper link, in this case {{a|Gerald Bruce Ownbey|G.B.Ownbey}}
When it comes to space, what do you mean by "space is required"? Of course it is, but using the standard space by use of the space bar key on the keyboard is almost always sufficient. As far as I can see there is no    reason for     adding several hard     spaces in the text (like I just did, as an example). That only lessens legibility, both of the code, and of the rendered text. If however you have a specific reason that I'm not aware of, please let me know and I'll look into it. Happy editing! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:51, 2 December 2017 (UTC).
I have started to remove redirects and &nbsp; from my own descriptions. When a wider space is needed, &nbsp; is necessary, but I will review how to use it. Thanks. --Lichenes (talk) 01:44, 3 December 2017 (UTC)


Please note that the genus Cerasus is now accepted as a synonym of Prunus. Therefore your work on this genus and associated species is superfluous, in addition, your reversal of the redirect on its taxon page is not helpful. Finally the nothospecies you have added are more than likely to be artificial hybrids, which are outside the scope of WS. I would suggest that you use sources such as Catalogue of Life, Tropicos, WCSP and the Plant List then cross check a number of these before committing yourself to botanical edits. Hopefully this helps. Regards Andyboorman (talk) 12:14, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Template:Duby, 1830[edit]

Hello Lichenes, please stop your edit war at this template, adding the link to "Recent literature on lichens" again! The link to Mattick Rec.# 33445 is inconvenient and irritating for other botanists, as this template is needed for organisms that are not lichens, too. Also, it is superfluous as a reference for this publication, because the BHL link is reference enough. What are your reasons for including it? Maybe it will suffice to have it after the "includeonly", so that it is seen displayed only on the reference page of the template? --Thiotrix (talk) 10:07, 31 May 2018 (UTC)


Hello. You have been adding ISSN to journals. Sometimes this is not needed see Bulletin de la Société d'Histoire Naturelle de l'Afrique du Nord on Daucus virgatus. All the best Andyboorman (talk) 16:08, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Acer palmatum[edit]

Hello I have rolled back your edit on Acer palmatum. There are at least three accepted circumscriptions of this species, all of which are correct in their own way. WS can not pick and choose on personal preference. This is yet another case where "one taxon one name" breaks down under the weight of reasonable, but differing, taxonomic opinions! Given that all the variants of both Acer palmatum and the putative species Acer amoenum in the "wild" are doubtfully "natural", in the sense humankind has had a hand in their appearance,as the Japanese have been breeding and selecting over a couple of thousand years. However, given that we have a dilemma. The first to sort out is the status of Acer amoenum, which is only accepted by probably the majority of workers in Japan, elsewhere it is a variety or subspecies of A. palmatum. It is also worth remembering that Acer palmatum and the putative species Acer amoenum interbred producing often very fertile offspring. You have been kind enough to place the traditional Japanese references on A. amoeum, but a quick Google scholar search produces interesting, if inconclusive, results. My preferred solution is to create two referenced taxon pages in order to accommodate the dilemma and add notes explaining the problem. Otherwise we have a single editors opinions, which is a WS no no, as you know. What are your thoughts? Kind regards Andyboorman (talk) 16:17, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


Hey, the changes I had made to Peltigeraceae were to reflect this paper "Kraichak E, Huang JP, Nelsen M, Leavitt SD, Lumbsch HT. A revised classification of orders and families in the two major subclasses of Lecanoromycetes (Ascomycota) based on a temporal approach. Botanical Journal of the Linnean Society. 2018 Sep 6;188(3):233-49." [1]. They synonymized Lobariaceae and Nephromataceae with Peltigeraceae along with a number of other taxonomic changes. I'm not an expert in lichen taxonomy, so I don't know whether the field agrees with these changes or not, but the current guidelines on WS suggest to go with the more recent publication. Voganaa (talk) 08:58, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

ISSN Error[edit]

Wow, good catch, thanks for fixing that. Circeus (talk) 16:58, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Community Insights Survey[edit]

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Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

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Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

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Regarding the Recent Literature on Lichens links[edit]

I believe these links, much like ZooBank links, are better placed in the non-transcluded portion of template pages. While they are not irrelevant, they provide very little (if any) additional information to the majority of users, and they additional are somewha misleading as they appear in a location where we usually put link to full-access versions of the reference. Circeus (talk) 22:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with your idea. If you are a lichenologist or a lichen researcher, you know the importance of “Recent Literature on Lichens” (RLL). It provides useful information including links to full-access versions of the references. For example, ResearchGate covers mainly new literatures, but RLL covers more and more literatures. I think there is room for improvement in my previous way of describing RRL in the template page. --Lichenes (talk) 05:38, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
We don't put zoobank links on templates (or at least not anymore), and they are far less invasive. So far, I have not found a single instance where the information that was in RLL made the link basically mandatory:
  • when a PDF is in RLL, it's always because the article is already open access or fully accessible via researchgate or BHL.
  • I have not yet come across an article that had an abstract in the RLL list (well, at least an abstract more than one sentence long)
  • lists of new taxon and nomenclatural acts can be placed on the template page (as was very recently discussed on the Village Pump, though in a very different context).
I am not arguing these links bear no interest, just that they are a much less than ideal fit for being in the reference template itself, and for much the same reason that we do not put similar database links such as those of Mycobank or Zoobank. Circeus (talk) 07:55, 11 October 2019 (UTC)