Template talk:VN/Archive 1

Singular or Plural?

Should the singular form be used (as is practice) or the plural (as is the latin form, and corresponding to the real meaning)? Gbnogkfs 6 January 2007, 14:08 UTC

It depends on language.. Example singular usually means in finnish species and plurar means class, family or genus. – linnea (talk) 15:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Let's take "Animalia": it means "animals" (plural) but the english vernacular is given as "animal" (singular). Besides, in Latin genus and lower is usually singular (e.g. "Homo sapiens sapiens", singular), while family and higher is plural (e.g. Animalia, Vertebrata, Mammalia, Primates, Hominidae). Is there a Wiki standard for vernacular names? Gbnogkfs 6 January 2007, 22:07 UTC

The current system we are having with the VN template is as new as the year 2007. We need a little time to adept to a new situation. You are probably right, feel free to help us out. :) --Kempm 22:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Template linkage

The template should link to a language specific Wikipedia entry (regardless of whether said article exists or not on Wikipedia) 70.51.9.51 06:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

That seems like a good idea but currently we use interwikis instead. One issue is that the Wikipedia entries sometimes are under their common names and sometimes under their scientific name (whether or not a common name even exists). For further discussion see Wikispecies:Village Pump#Vernacular Names. --Georgeryp 14:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Ilokano language

I do not speak Ilokano (a language of the Philippines) but I was trying to make a VN entry on Amanita phalloides corresponding to the interwiki: ilo:Kallugong ti natay (Uong) and found that "ilo" does not appear when I use it in {{VN}} --Georgeryp 20:13, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I finally added "ilo=" myself, along with "sm=" and "to=". --Georgeryp 17:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Add language qu:Runa Simi (Quechua)?

I'd like to add the VN Puka pili to the Anas cyanoptera entry --Togr 15:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

It's added now. --Georgeryp 23:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Parenthesis error

should be:

{{#if:{{{zh|}}}|{{zh|{{{zh}}}|inline={{{inline|}}}}}{{#if:{{{inline|}}}|{{·}}  }}}}{{#if:{{{zh-hans|}}}|{{zh-hans|{{{zh-hans}}}|inline={{{inline|}}}}}{{#if:{{{inline|}}}|{{·}}  }}}}{{#if:{{{zh-hant|}}}|{{zh-hant|{{{zh-hant}}}|inline={{{inline|}}}}}{{#if:{{{inline|}}}|{{·}}  }}}}{{#if:{{{zh-min-nan|}}}|{{zh-min-nan|{{{zh-min-nan}}}|inline={{{inline|}}}}}{{#if:{{{inline|}}}|{{·}}  }}}}{{#if:{{{zh-yue|}}}|{{zh-yue|{{{zh-yue}}}|inline={{{inline|}}}}}{{#if:{{{inline|}}}|{{·}}  }}}}

— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ninjamask (talk • contribs) 21:05, 1 July 2007 (UTC).

Sanskrit

I was adding some Sanskrit vernaculars and noticed they didn’t show up. Could anyone add Sanskrit (sa)? / 81.234.221.127 16:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Lacking languages

Can anybody add the following languages: Samogitian [Žemaitėška, bat-smg], Belarusian (Tarashkevitsa) [Беларуская (тарашкевіца), be-x-old] and Uppersorbian [Hornjoserbsce, hsb]. Rechta [talk] 18:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Ewe language

Can whoever has access to the template add ee for Eʋegbe (English:Ewe)? I wanted to add some vernacular names here, but the template would not allow me to.--Natsubee 13:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Done --Open2universe 01:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Tagalog

For Rafflesia manillana I'd need Tagalog in the vernacular names list. But it seems Template:tl is already used for something else. Ahoerstemeier 21:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I've created {{Tl (lang)}} for the Tagalog language, and added it to the template. Seems to work just fine now. EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Please add instructions

To help new users, an admin should add (inside <noinclude>'s of course) a link to "Help:Vernacular names section" so it's clear what the standard way to use this is. We already have elaborate instructions on other template pages (e.g., Template:ITIS) and so should at least link to some instructions for this, one of the most used templates here. --Georgeryp 14:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Does this work or does it need more?--Open2universe 01:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

It's fine by me. Thanks. --Georgeryp 19:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

kl and se please

Based on Slaunger's comments (see here Help talk:Vernacular names section#Northern samic and Greenlandic language in the template), could Northern Samic ("se") and Greenlandic ("kl") be added? Also, the template's "noinclude" section should probably explain that language requests should be put here, on this talk page (I thought it used to indicate that). --Georgeryp 03:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I've created {{Se}}, {{Kl}}, and added both languages to {{VN}}. I also added a note that new language additions should be done here. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

ka

Add ka language (Georgian) please. Template:Ka has already been created. Thanks, Malafaya 02:30, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

 Done -- Dario and Mario 18:11, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

vo

Idem for Volapük (Template:Vo is also already here). Thanks! Smeira 12:19, 23 December 2007.

 Done -- Dario and Mario 18:11, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

vec

Hi, can you add Venetian (template:vec)? thanks. Cocal 13:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

 Done --Open2universe | Talk 13:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

mi

Please add māori to the list. A mi template has already been made. Then test here. --202.134.25.5 23:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

 Done -- Dario and Mario 16:16, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

hsb

Don't know what I did wrong, but it's not showing up. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 22:03, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Seems to be working now, though I did remove some linebreaks that you may have introduced. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:23, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

ka

I am not sure what language it is but "ka" does not appear in the vernacular names area when added to the template of a page. See Blastoidea, I added it from the interwiki list but it doesn't actually appear. could this be added?--Kevmin 16:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, it hasd been fixed inbetween my woking on Blastoidea and now, thanks to the person who fixed it. --Kevmin 16:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

ff, ha, dje

Please add the codes for Hausa (ha), Fula (ff) and Zarma (dje). I'd also like to bring up a possible listing of son for Songhai languages since some key species names would be common across these (including dje). Not sure how you plan to handle variant forms within languages and redundancies across varieties of a (macro)language. TIA. --A12n 17:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Just made {{Ha}}, {{Ff}}, and {{Dje}}. Before I add them, is their display correct? (compared with similar templates, like {{En}} and {{Fr}}) For whatever reason, dje isn't working right... EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Actually for ha, the Boko (Latin) transcription is more widely used than the Ajami (Arabic) one, so plz use Hausanci for "Hausa language." Fulfulde is okay as endonym for ff although that code also covers Pulaar. Zarmaciine would be appropriate for "Zarma language" dje.--A12n 14:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I tried changing ha but it had no effect - probably because I'm not authorized. --A12n 23:54, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

haw

Hi, could someone add the codes for Hawaiian (haw) as well? It would be helpful for species in Hawaii with vernacular names in Hawaiian. Thanks. Singularity 08:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

nap

Please add "nap" for Neapolitan. I want to add some names in this language. Thank you! --Kazu89 15:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done Please double check with {{Nap}} to make sure it's correct. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 17:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Protection

This uses Template:Lan, which is unprotected. Rocket000 12:00, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

 Done Protected as a safe measure OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 01:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

gsw

Could you please add gsw (Alemannic). Template:Gsw has already been created. Thanks, Holder 17:10, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

 Done Added. Please try add some names using this template, which utilizes {{Gsw}}, to determine if it was added properly. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 01:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Simple?

{{Editprotected}}

Can somebody please remove the "Simple English" language, I don't think anybody would need to know that the vernacular name of Insecta in Simple English is "Insect". 98.166.139.216 00:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

 Done Agreed. It's pretty much identical to normal English anyway. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 02:43, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

gil mh

{{Editprotected}}

Please add Template:Gil and Template:Mh to the list.

Test in Cyrtosperma chamissonis. --Tauʻolunga 06:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Still investigating why the those 2 templates don't get loaded even when I added them into this template. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 18:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

 Done Forgot to purge the page. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 02:43, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Metadata?

Could the two letter language codes be added in the template to each language entry? It's useful for parsers to be able to grep this out without having to resort to knowing the localized name of each language. Something like <span class="lang_en">Name</span>. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Moultano (talk • contribs) 03:33, 14 August 2009.

It uses {{#language:}} for each code, so you don't need to know the native name. In fact, you will not find the actual names at all in the code. Besides a few exceptions, the localized names are pulled directly from the php.[1] Rocket000 05:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

frr

Please add "frr". Template:Frr already created. Thanks! --Murma174 (talk) 23:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

 DoneOpen2universe | Talk 13:08, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

mak and cop

Please add

"mak". Macassarese (ᨅᨔ ᨆᨀᨔᨑ)

"cop". Coptic (ⲘⲉⲧⲢⲉⲙ̀ⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ)

Thanks Jcwf (talk) 23:43, 5 December 2010 (UTC) Both Template:Cop and Template:Mak have been made Repeated request Jcwf (talk) 02:48, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Added but there seems to be an issue with #language

Mak ex mak

Cop ex ϯⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲛ̀ⲭⲏⲙⲓ

It may be a mediawiki issue because it doesn't work there either. (You can see examples at meta:User:Open2universe )

Order - or not?

Hello,

is it correct, that the both Norwegian languag names are divided by 'Nordfriisk'?

Vernacular names

...

Nor-s-k (bokmål)‬: Åkerrikse

Nor-d-friisk: Knalangefal

‪

Nor-s-k (nynorsk)‬: Åkerrikse

...

That is not the alphabetical order.

Please check it.

Cadfaell — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cadfaell (talk • contribs) 20:13, 12 July 2011 (UTC).

Moved from Talk:Crex crex by Koumz (talk) 20:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello,

just I saw the reason is a wrong place of 'frr' in the template. 'frr' should stand before 'no'.

-->{{#if:{{{no|}}}|'''{{#language:no}}:''' {{{no}}}<br/>}}<!-- = Norsk (bokmål)‬:

-->{{#if:{{{frr|}}}|'''{{#language:frr}}:''' {{{frr}}}<br/>}}<!-- = Nordfriisk:

-->{{#if:{{{nb|}}}|'''{{#language:nb}}:''' {{{nb}}}<br/>}}<!-- = Norsk bokmål ('nb' is the same like 'no', the normal use is 'no'

-->{{#if:{{{nn|}}}|'''{{#language:nn}}:''' {{{nn}}}<br/>}}<!-- = Norsk (nynorsk)‬:

Please correct the order. Thanks.

Cadfaell

 Done OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 01:30, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Palantla Chinantec

Hello, could you add Palantla Chinantec language (code ISO 639: cpa)? Its name is jǿg³ jmei¹². I added the translation in the article Potos flavus. Thanks. Pamputt (talk) 13:51, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done, but it doesn't display properly because of the #language issue described above. Koumz (talk) 14:05, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Aleut

Hello, could you add Aleut language (code ISO 639: ale)? Its name is Unangax̂ (with the capital letter). I added the translation in the article Enhydra lutris. Thanks. Pamputt (talk) 09:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done, but see above. Koumz (talk) 13:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Ditidaht

Hello, could you add Ditidaht language (code ISO 639: dtd)? Its name is ditidaqiic̓aq cicqiʔ. I added the translation in the article Sciurus. Thanks. Pamputt (talk) 09:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done, but see above. Koumz (talk) 15:26, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Tlingit

Hello, could you add Tlingit language (code ISO 639: tli)? Its name is lingít. I added the translation in the article Rubus chamaemorus. Thanks. Pamputt (talk) 11:00, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done, but see above. Koumz (talk) 15:34, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Jabutí

Hello, could you add Jabutí language (code ISO 639: jbt)? Its name is djeoromitxi. I have already added some translations in this language. Thanks. Pamputt (talk) 12:05, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done, but see above. Koumz (talk) 12:15, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Lakota

Hello, could you add Lakota language (code ISO 639: lkt)? Its name is Lakȟótiyapi. I have already added some translations in this language. Thanks. Pamputt (talk) 16:28, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done, but see above. Koumz (talk) 20:24, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Comanche

Hello, could you add Comanche language (code ISO 639: com)? Its name is nʉmʉ tekwapʉ. I have already added some translations in this language. Thanks. Pamputt (talk) 13:17, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done, but see above. Koumz (talk) 15:03, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Osage

Hello, could you add Osage language (code ISO 639: osa)? Its name is wažáže. I have already added some translations in this language. Thanks. Pamputt (talk) 13:09, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done as Template:Osa (lang) because there is a genus Osa, but see above. Koumz (talk) 15:03, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Miami

Hello, could you add Miami language (code ISO 639: mia)? Its name is myaamiaataweenki. I have already added some translations in this language. Pamputt (talk) 22:49, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done, but see above. Koumz (talk) 19:25, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Shuswap

Hello, could you add Shuswap language (code ISO 639: shs)? Its name is Secwepemctsín. I have already added some translations in this language. Pamputt (talk) 22:55, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done, but see above. Koumz (talk) 19:25, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Thompson

Hello, could you add Thompson language (code ISO 639: thp)? Its name is Nłeʔkepmxcin. I have already added some translations in this language. Pamputt (talk) 22:55, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done, but see above. Koumz (talk) 19:25, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Upper Chehalis

Hello, could you add Upper Chehalis language (code ISO 639: cjh)? Its name is qʼʷayʼáyiɬq. I have already added some translations in this language. Pamputt (talk) 07:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done, but see above. Koumz (talk) 12:47, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Cupeño

Hello, could you add Cupeño language (code ISO 639: cup)? Its name is Kuupangaxwichem. I have already added some translations in this language. Pamputt (talk) 16:44, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done, but see above. Koumz (talk) 13:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

shh

Add Sosoni' (Shoshoni in English) please. Thank you, Amqui (talk) 02:49, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done, but see above. Koumz (talk) 13:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

See what above exactly ? Amqui (talk) 04:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Why Template:Shh does show shh: instead of Sosoni': ? Amqui (talk) 04:23, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

That is EXACTLY what "see above" refers to. About 15 requests up, I noted that there is an issue with #language (which is used in Template:VN and others related to it) that means these all don't display the name properly, and that there is nothing we can do locally to change that because it's a general MediaWiki situation. Both I and Open2universe have tried to investigate it and come to this conclusion. Koumz (talk) 05:05, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I've submitted a bug to have shh #language class define. Amqui (talk) 01:12, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Kasem

Hello, could you add Kasem language (code ISO 639: xsm)? Its name is "kasɩm". I have already added some translations in this language. Pamputt (talk) 09:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done, but see above. Koumz (talk) 13:55, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

African languages

nr (Southern Ndebele), nd (Ndebele) and nso (Northern Sotho) would all be nice to have. JMK (talk) 15:30, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

The following African languages would also be good to have: bem (Bemba), loz (Lozi), mnk (Mandinka), nyj (Nyanja). JMK (talk) 09:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

All  Done. Some, but not all, represent properly because of the # language issue discussed above. Koumz (talk) 18:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Cutting names

The template columns cuts off the words in the names. It looks a bit strange. I am not good at source code, so I'm grateful if someone could look at this.

Ex:

Clematis viticaulis

Uleli (talk) 11:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Can't this template be reworked to include all of a long vernacular name in one box? Either let the width of the column or both columns be determined by the length of the longest name in the column (not hard in Lua AFAICT) or just set the column width to be very wide. Another desirable improvement would be to allow multiple vernacular names from a single language to appear in the same box. Is technical help from another project needed? DCDuring (talk) 15:55, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

I noticed the lack of "multiple vernacular names from a single language to appear in the same box" on Erysimum arenicola. Wsiegmund (talk) 18:09, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Moved from Talk:Cuculus canorus

Vepsian (vep) and Livonian (liv) do not appear on the side. Deficiency in the template?--Pjr (talk) 19:35, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

 Done (fixed) Koumz (talk) 20:57, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Local names

Any chance to get a universal abbreviation (|lo= (?) )for local names which can only be attributed to rather rare languages, like Giriama (an African tribe)? --Haps (talk) 03:03, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

I have no information on this. Koumz (talk) 14:01, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

How about Idonesian language?

How about Indonesian language? Cause, I'm from Indonesia. S Rifqi (talk) 12:33, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Already there, displays as "Bahasa Indonesia". Koumz (talk) 13:49, 26 August 2014 (UTC)