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Please sign your comments on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username (if you're logged in) and the date. Please also read the Wikispecies policy What Wikispecies is not. If you need help, ask me on my talk page, or in the Village Pump. Again, welcome! (yes, I {{welcomed}} myself... I figure there might be some good info here, and without a red talk link, nobody else was likely to do it) EVula // talk // 21:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)Reply



Thanks for being self-sufficient!--Open2universe 01:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Haha, thanks for the welcome. :) EVula // talk // 02:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Vernacular redirects


Please do not add vernacular redirects. They are not within the scope of Wikispecies. If and when we get to be a wiki database we will be able to search by vernacular name, so this effort is double work and puts an extra strain on the server. Thanks. Lycaon 09:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "be a wiki database". Creating redirects doesn't create additional strain (and I generally don't worry about performance). However, I'm more than willing to stop creating them if it's outside the project scope. EVula // talk // 08:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)Reply



Apreciated your atention. Thanks.

Rossicev 11:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

My pleasure. That's a very cool feature that I'd never noticed before; as a language-independent project, Wikispecies should definitely reflect that with the Main Page. EVula // talk // 16:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations, you are now an admin.


No, we don't have a minimum for rfa so you are one now. Best wishes. --Open2universe 12:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Awesome, thanks. Watch vandalism drop just so I don't have anything to do... ;) EVula // talk // 14:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Ara genus



I'm editing and creating species form Ara genus. When I edit vernacular names, the expression Granat Alma apears in the box. Exemple: Ara tricolor. Can you see this? Thanks. Rossicev 15:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Someone had vandalized the Hungarian field, {{Hu}}. I fixed it.[1] Thanks for bringing it to my attention; it was my first action as an admin. :) EVula // talk // 15:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Oh, you may need to add "?action=purge" to the end of the URL in your browser to see the updated version; sometimes the server will lag a little bit when lots of templates are used. EVula // talk // 15:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Yeah! Thanks again! I hope to be usefull on Wikispecies. I'm still learning... Rossicevmsg 18:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Reply



Since you're both a commons sysop and a wikispecies sysop, I'll ask you :). Shouldn't Image:Morpho_menelaus.png either be uploaded locally and protected or protected on commons to prevent vandalism? Monobi 02:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I get around. :) I'm pretty sure that anons can't upload a local version, and any local vandalism tends to get jumped on pretty quickly (one of the benefits of a fairly small project). Ironically, I just noticed some old Commons vandalism on Image:Blue morpho butterfly.jpg, so at least something might need to happen on that side of things... I'm 99% sure that we don't need to upload a local version, but I'll double-check with someone a bit more knowledgeable (though not right now; I'm on my laptop during a break, and all my email addresses and whatnot are at home). EVula // talk // // 02:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thank you!


...very much! Maybe I'm won't have great contributions, but it's nice to be nice. Thanks, anew! Cobalttempest 04:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Every little bit helps. :) EVula // talk // // 04:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Classification is never provided


It is a desperate call that I make here. Wikispecies is doing wrong, many french admin think so, and I can't let it happen without reacting. I already posted something here, without success.
Wikispecies has for purpose to provide the classification of taxons, right?
But each taxon has a different content and parents depending on the classification. And there are a lot of classifications for each taxons.:

  • Here is a small list of those classifications.
  • Here is an perfect sample that shows that a taxon name doesn't mean much if you don't provide the classification name.
  • Here is a sample that commons now provides the classification. And of course, there are classical classification and phylogenetic classifications.
  1. From what I understand in reading your articles, wikispecies provides only one classification for each taxon (in wikifrance, we provide 1 classical and 1 phylogenetical classif per taxon)
  2. But you never provide the classification followed.

I think it is urgent that you provide the classification followed by each article in the article. You will discover that all your articles follow different classification.
Look at Liliopsida. It is a total shame. The classification is not provided. The reason is that nobody ever described it that way. Cheers Liné1 06:55, 29 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Oy, I'm probably a bad person to bring this up to. Yes, I'm an administrator here, but it's largely because I'm active in working on a lot of "behind the scenes" stuff (such as adding new languages to the vernacular name template) that requires administrative access, and I have a lot of experience as an administrator on three other projects (two of them also being language independent). When it comes to Wikispecies, I do it out of a love for the concept of making information free to the world (plus I'm a big fan of sharks), but when it comes to the specific taxons and classifications, I'm a bit lost. I'm just a workhorse... EVula // talk // // 06:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
I understand your work here, but I don't understand why none of the others answers me.
Like you, I like wikipedia for what it is. But many people, even among wikipedia, make fun of wikispecies.
Anytime, I see a problem in wikipedia, I try to solve it with others, but here, is there someone who answers?
Any idea, who I could see? I already asked User:Dario and Mario‎, User:Kempm‎, User:Lightdarkness‎, User:Keith Edkins‎, User:Lycaon‎, User:Ucucha‎, User:Open2universe‎
Thank you — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Liné1 (talkcontribs).
Well, it might be more productive if you find and address the problem you're talking about on a page, that way they can see a working example. I know I'd be more receptive to "see, this is how it should be" rather than "you're wrong". Once they see an example, they might more readily agree with you, and start fixing up everything else as well. EVula // talk // // 16:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)Reply


If you're still online, I think needs blocking.
MichielT 15:03, 15 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

Blocked. Thanks for the heads up. EVula // talk // // 16:40, 15 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

Type locality & distribution


I've noticed you removed the sections Type locality and Distribution from one of my contributions. take note that Type locality is a legitimate field!!! (see the help section). As to the Distribution section, I'm conducting now a vote at the Village pump for the inclusion of distribution info, so you're wellcome to vote!!

Mariusm 06:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

We're in total agreement that the section is worthwhile information, but it's more appropriate for an encyclopedia; Wikispecies is not Wikipedia. I'm responding to your VP topic now... EVula // talk // // 15:44, 12 February 2008 (UTC)Reply
But what about Type locality??? Please look at Help:Name section and see that it is perfecly legitimate!!! Mariusm 15:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)Reply
That is discussing holotypes, which is very first such creature found, not the range of the entire species. As it is, that information isn't generally provided in our articles. EVula // talk // // 16:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. Can't wait to become en.wp admin. Btw, I tend to keep type locality in the article, but I will remove anything that specificly says distribution. OhanaUnitedTalk page 19:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)Reply



Apparently one wiki wasn't enough, so I had to go down and wreak havoc on another one. bibliomaniac15 21:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

I can't relate to that at all... EVula // talk // // 22:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)Reply



Get on IRC plz if you can. Maxim(talk) 22:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)Reply

Not sure when that'll happen; I have tonight off from the show I'm working on (see my wikibreak notice on en.wp), but I'm going to spend at least part of tonight with my girlfriend. Dunno when I'd be back on the computer (and I can't right now, as I'm at work). EVula // talk // // 22:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)Reply



How can I get a list of MediaWiki pages? It isn't listed anywhere. OhanaUnitedTalk page 05:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)Reply

Couple of different ways. I sometimes just go to Special:AllPages and select the MediaWiki namespace. However, Special:AllMessages is also handy for seeing what exists (and a quick overview of what is what). EVula // talk // // 13:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)Reply



Nice to see a familiar face :)...I was wondering if you could add Hawaiian (haw) to the template; I'm currently translating the vernacular names in Hawaiian. Singularity 21:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)Reply

If you create a Hawaiian template at {{Haw}} in the same format as {{En}} and {{Fr}}, I'll be happy to add it. :) EVula // talk // // 07:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)Reply
Will this do? Singularity 17:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC)Reply
Yup, that works just fine. I'll try to add it later tonight; I'm going on a trip in a few days, so I'll need to get ready for that first, but I'm hoping I'll still have some wiki time before bed. EVula // talk // // 22:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)Reply
Sorry to be a real bugger, but if you could add the template, that'd be great...thanks! Singularity 06:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)Reply
My apologies, it completely slipped my mind once I got back from the trip. Template added. EVula // talk // // 05:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! Singularity 09:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)Reply



I think it's ready to give bot flag. Please check Wikispecies:Bots/Requests_for_approval#OhanaBot to see if you have any concerns. OhanaUnitedTalk page 19:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

Looks like it got done while I was too busy to check back here. Sorry I didn't get to it, but I'm glad it's been done. EVula // talk // // 05:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

Deleting few pages


User:PeterR dropped me a message[2] regarding the deletion of a few pages. I don't know what's wrong with those pages so I asked Peter to explain the situation to you. Please try to be patient when explaining things to him. He's a valuable editor. OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

Deleting Antarctoperlaria


UhanaUnited told me that you have deleted Antarctoperlaria with Eusthenoidea and Leptoperloidea. Why did you do this? I have add new species from 2008. If you can tell me which new Superfamilia they are than I can change them. I hope you don't only works with ITIS, Because ITIS is not complete.


PeterR 07:34, 28 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

Er, I deleted them because you tagged them with {{Delete}}... I figured that if you tagged them, they needed to be deleted. EVula // talk // // 17:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Reply



You deleted this, but many articles still link to it. I don't know enough to clean it up. Thanks, --Open2universe | Talk 23:39, 21 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

I've undeleted it. It was marked for deletion by an editor I would trust to know when to delete and when not, so I didn't really think twice about it. EVula // talk // // 14:25, 23 June 2008 (UTC)Reply



on wikisource too: Kylu 02:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

If only I were a steward... damn. :) EVula // talk // // 03:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
I'm in #cvn-sw talking to birdy. She can't do it 'cos there's local admins... sadly, there's not yet a way to force-merge accounts into SUL just to block them. :( (btw, see my talkpage, final section... is there an unlinked "please don't use global rollback" here that I've missed? I don't want to break your rules here.) Kylu 03:14, 12 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
Responded. EVula // talk // // 03:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Please rename me


Hi, I have changed my username at my homewiki and want to do it here to. Please rename me to Calandrella. Here is confirmation. Thanks, Leo Johannes 08:37, 14 September 2008 (UTC)Reply

Looks like it was already done. EVula // talk // // 21:01, 14 September 2008 (UTC)Reply

Hi :)


Do you know of where I might be able to contribute to Wikispecies? I have no idea what this site is all about and would like to assist in constructing it. Connell66 04:32, 21 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Finding images of the animals on Commons, checking the interwiki links between different language editions of Wikipedia, making sure the vernacular names section is up to date... there's plenty to do. :) EVula // talk // // 19:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC)Reply



I hope you can visit that page and decide whether we should promote an individual who most of his contributions are made via IP and only until recently did that individual start editing via a registered account. You can directly read this discussion at Wikispecies:Administrators# OhanaUnitedTalk page 16:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Looks like it's been taken care of. I would have come to the same conclusion; the situation was very unusual, but there wasn't much reason to actually deny the request. EVula // talk // // 17:59, 24 November 2008 (UTC)Reply



My continued ability to contribute to Wikispecies depends crucially on being able to protect just one page, called 'New Zealand', which is a faunistic page with links to (unprotected) pages on New Zealand taxa. My "friend" Lycaon keeps unprotecting it! I believe that such faunistic pages are well within the spirit and ideology of Wikispecies, and perhaps a new category ought to be created to accommodate them. However, I need to protect my New Zealand page for the following reasons: (1) in line with the Wikispecies philosophy, I am contributing this information for free, and there are potential conflicts of interest with other people/institutions here in N.Z. who are trying to extract as much funding as possible for similar projects; (2) if the page is open edit, it could very easily deteriorate into chaos, as what is needed is a single consistent view on the fauna. The classification isn't totally "objective", so other people may try to impose their own conflicting opinions and the result could be chaotic. Can the beauracrats please have a vote on this? Regrettably, if I cannot protect this one single page, I will have to leave Wikispecies...
Stephen Thorpe
Stho002 21:19, 27 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
PS: Other editors can still create their own versions of my 'New Zealand' page, expressing their own opinions, and they can give the pages disambiguated names, e.g. New Zealand, and link them to the appropriate taxa pages independently of me. Hence I am not trying to prevent alternative opinions, I am just trying to prevent alternative opinions from making my page into an unusable mess of conflicting opinions.
Stho002 22:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

As it stands, the page you're trying to create is waaay outside our standards. We document species, and that's pretty much it. I wouldn't mind discussing an expansion of our scope, but you're shoe-horning the concept and refusing to budge. Not a productive attitude to take.
I've moved the article to User:Stho002/New Zealand. Do your work on it, then when you're reasonably comfortable with it, post a thread to the Village Pump and we (as a community) can discuss it. EVula // talk // // 02:39, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Reply



Please see my latest comments on the VillagePump
cheers, Stho002 03:19, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

No need to leave me a message; I check the VP regularly. EVula // talk // // 03:24, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Reply



Pending the outcome of the discussions, can you PLEASE protect User:Stho002/New Zealand, and restore the link to it from New Zealand (as this links the taxon pages to it)? Thank you Stho002 03:24, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

No, I'm not protecting that page; you don't understand what the purpose of page protection is, and if I fully protect it, you couldn't edit it. EVula // talk // // 03:26, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Reply



For the vote of confidence after three years of loyal service. Have you really read the diffs? Lycaon 07:17, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Sent you an email. EVula // talk // // 16:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Request for comment


There is presently a discussion on the use of daggers to denote extinct taxa. This will affect a large portion of the pages in wikispecies as the project grows so if possible please read the contributions so far and comment. Thanks --Kevmin 06:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Alrighty. EVula // talk // // 17:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Vandalism from Cheesecracker


Hi, I'm leaving this message on the talkpage of several of the Wikispecies admins. I'll also put it on your Wikipedia talkpage. User:Cheesecracker has spent an hour and a half running riot through Wikispecies. I couldn't find an admin urgently so requested help from the Stewards. A two hour block has been placed while cleanup occurs. Can an indefinite block please be used? Beeswaxcandle 08:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Hello. I reblocked the user indefinitely, and undid their vandalism. (I'm one of the stewards who responded to Beeswaxcandle's request.) —Pathoschild 08:25:40, 02 February 2009 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, Pathos. EVula // talk // // 18:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Username change


Hi there - since you missed out to Cometstyles over at meta, would you be able to usurp my username over to Gb for me here on Wikispecies? Same reason - I have control of Gb as the SUL, and am looking to unify my logins wherever possible. I'll post a confirmatory message on my talk page at I would ask at the username change page, but can't find it! Gb in waiting 18:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Done! :) EVula // talk // // 19:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)Reply
Great, thanks! Gb 20:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Comment Requested


Wider opinions and comments are requested on the village pump here regarding a proposed change in formatting of the taxonavigation section. Please read the and comment.--Kevmin 00:15, 23 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Discussion closes 26 April 2009 Stho002 00:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the heads up. EVula // talk // // 17:20, 24 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Create account


Hi, EVula. I saw in my SUL util that my login on wikispecies failed. I have tried to create an account here with my name, but the system tells me that there's already a user with that name. Nevertheless, it has no contributions. Could I have the same account here? Can you fix that? Thanks. -- 18:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

What can I do?


I just joined from WIkipedia. What can I do to help? Rin tin tin 1996 02:10, 16 March 2010 (UTC)Reply



I'm renaming acrosswikis my username from Drini to Magister Mathematicae. Would you be kind to me and tell me where the proper noticeboard to request it is located on this wiki? Drini (talk) 02:15, 10 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

Hierarchical navigation of wikispecies


I am creating a website called dx stat - com. you can view it online. I need the type of hierarchical tree like organization that wikispecies has. Do you use a pugin. This hierarchical top of the page navigation is not native to wikimedia. need help. not sure how to send you my contact info without getting spammed to death. a - a - f - a - r - i then the at symbol and then the gmail type email.

Forced user renames coming soon for SUL


Hi, sorry for writing in English. I'm writing to ask you, as a bureaucrat of this wiki, to translate and review the notification that will be sent to all users, also on this wiki, who will be forced to change their user name on May 27 and will probably need your help with renames. You may also want to help with the pages m:Rename practices and m:Global rename policy. Thank you, Nemo 17:10, 3 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Your comment needed


Please, your comment is needed on issues concerning the user Stho002. See here: Wikispecies:Village Pump Mariusm (talk) 16:36, 27 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

If you're going to start a topic about someone's behavior, you'd damn well better provide diffs to back up your claims. I see a wall of text and a dearth of links. "using coarse language and is intimidating his fellow wikipedians" should be painfully easy to provide sources for, but you don't; honestly, my reflex in this type of situation is to assume that you've got an axe to grind with him and so I'm inclined to ignore the whole situation. EVula // talk // // 16:26, 3 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

An important message about renaming users


Dear EVula,

I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.

As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.

In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.

Stewards greatly appreciate the trust local communities have in you and want to make this transition as easy as possible so that the two groups can start working together to ensure everyone has a unique login identity across Wikimedia projects. Completing this project will allow for long-desired universal tools like a global watchlist, global notifications and many, many more features to make work easier.

If you have any questions, comments or concerns about the SUL finalisation, read over the Help:Unified login page on Meta and leave a note on the talk page there, or on the talk page for global renamers. You can also contact me on my talk page on meta if you would like. I'm working as a bridge between Wikimedia Foundation Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Stewards, and you to assure that SUL finalisation goes as smoothly as possible; this is a community-driven process and I encourage you to work with the Stewards for our communities.

Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) talk 18:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

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Your administrator and bureaucrat status on Wikispecies


Hello. A policy regarding the removal of "advanced rights" (administrator, bureaucrat, etc.) was adopted by community consensus in 2013. According to this policy, the stewards are reviewing activity on wikis with no inactivity policy.   You meet the inactivity criteria (no edits and no log actions for 2 years) on the wiki listed above. Since that wiki does not have its own rights review process, the global one applies.   If you want to keep your rights, you should inform the community of the wiki about the fact that the stewards have sent you this information about your inactivity. If the community has a discussion about it and then wants you to keep your rights, please contact the stewards at m:Stewards' noticeboard, and link to the discussion of the local community, where they express their wish to continue to maintain the rights.   If you wish to resign your rights, you can reply here or request removal of your rights on Meta.   If there is no response at all after approximately one month, stewards will proceed to remove your administrator and/or bureaucrat rights. In ambiguous cases, stewards will evaluate the responses and will refer a decision back to the local community for their comment and review. If you have any questions, please contact the stewards. Rschen7754 00:58, 7 July 2016 (UTC)Reply

Invitation to join the Ten Year Society


Dear EVula,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikispecies project for ten years or more.

Best regards,

Dan Koehl (talk) 15:55, 30 December 2016 (UTC)Reply