User talk:Jarnsax

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Please do not remove commas from DEFAULTSORT templates. I have undone those you removed today, (using rollback, in view of the quantity). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:07, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: I had done so because I had noticed that many were missorted in the list category, and it looked like 'no comma' was the more common version. Sorry if I guessed wrong. Jarnsax (talk) 21:26, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

User sandbox[edit]

Hello again! Feel free to create your own private sandbox page, should you like to devote your regular user page to something else than just lists of taxon names and authors. You can do that by clicking User:Jarnsax/Sandbox. The sandbox will be created as a subpage of your user page and you can then move your author- and taxon lists there. Seal the deal by adding a link to your new sandbox somewhere on your regular user page for easy access, and you're all set. Or... keep everything just as it is right now. We don't have any weird policies saying that user's checklists must be sandboxed in, it's just a friendly hint... :-) Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 01:56, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

@Tommy Kronkvist: Yeah, I know... I'm new to ws, and this is a new account (not that I broke any rules or anything, just wanted a clean start, getting away from projects with drama) but I'm familiar with the convention. I just don't have much to say about myself here yet, other than what I'm working on. :) Jarnsax (talk) 08:50, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
@Tommy Kronkvist: There, at least that will get the watchlist spam off of my user page. I prefer to use my actual 'Sandbox' sandbox for just testing stuff I intend to wipe. Jarnsax (talk) 15:52, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Yep, looks a lot better! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:48, 17 October 2019 (UTC).

Taxonavigation templates for species[edit]

Hello Jarnsax, thank you for your contributions to Wikispecies. I have noticed that you create taxonavigation templates for species, e.g. {{Thiopedia rosea}}. Usually this is not necessary. The purpose of those templates is to save time (and avoid typing errors) for parts of the taxonavigation tree that are needed several times, so for a genus with several species. I do not know, if Thiopedia rosea consists of many subspecies, but if not, it is just sufficient to add Species: ''[[Thiopedia rosea]]'' directly on the species page. Kind regards and happy editing, --Thiotrix (talk) 12:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

@Thiotrix: Yeah, I guess it is kinda redundant at that point... I had just seen it done that way elsewhere, and figured it made things more consistent. (shrugs) Hopefully nobody is going to mind that I decided to go all the way to the top of the Bacteria tree, but it was pretty out-of-date per the various databases. Looks like it had only been roughed in at the top level several years back. Jarnsax (talk) 13:16, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Probably Wikispecies has too few editors working on Bacteria (I guess it needs more editors for all groups of organisms...) So your contributions are very welcome. --Thiotrix (talk) 13:35, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
The Wikispecies praxis is to only create Taxonavigation templates for species level taxa if the taxon also contains subspecies. Otherwise we stop at genus level and use the format described by Thiotrix. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:51, 17 October 2019 (UTC).

Aren't these literally the same thing?[edit]

Template:Thrash & Coates, 2011a and Template:Thrash & Coates, 2011 seem to me to be functionally the same thing? I'm really not sure how crucial it is to be able to cite one specific page page within a 10-pages chapter that it absolutely requires a completely separate template.

If the issue is that you want to cite a specific page, people have used both year+page in call i.e. (Thrash & Coates, 2011: 727) and adding a bracketed detail after the reference template, i.e. {{Thrash & Coates, 2011}} [p. 727]. Personally I like the first of these options better as it allows linking to the page itself when the work is in BHL or a similar scanned page archive, though I'm aware that argument's unlikely to be relevant for bacteriology material lol. Circeus (talk) 17:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@Circeus: They can probably be combined, yeah. I was just copying the references as actually cited by NCBI, etc. I don't have a copy of that edition to look at how its actually laid out, though. Hoping to cleanup stuff like that (taxa by author, etc.) once I get all the pages down to genus done for that phylum. Jarnsax (talk) 19:20, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
So you won't be too upset if I swap the 2011a template with the 2011 one and delete the former? Circeus (talk) 19:31, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
@Circeus: Not at all...would probably have does it myself if I was at my computer. I just hadn't specifically noticed those were so similar.. I'll try to watch for more references like that (the book is cited a lot) and sort em as I go from now on. Jarnsax (talk) 03:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Sometimes, one need to take the way articles are divided by publishers (especially articles in the 40s and earlier) with a grain of salt. Still, volume four is online here (that's where I got the DOI). Digging around should find the other volumes easily enough, though be mindful as the 1st edition is probably also online (springer has digitized a LOT of material). Circeus (talk) 03:37, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
ETA: I was going to do the swap, but since you already did, I'll just go ahead delete the superfluous template. Circeus (talk) 03:39, 12 November 2019 (UTC)