User:Accassidy/archive1

Use REDIRECT command

When you have a synonym like Nacaduba astarte = Tartesa astarte then you can redirect the page with the line:
#REDIRECT [[Tartesa astarte]]
I already done it for you for the pages Nacaduba astarte and Nacaduba ugiensis. Mariusm 17:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Nacaduba zaron

Alan,

I have ordered the bulletin by my libary.

PeterR 20:24, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

Just popping by to say thanks for creating articles. Another thing, under synonyms, we use bullets "*" to separate each item,[1] this makes the overall appearance more presentable and eliminates the need of "<br />" to the end of each item. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 20:48, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Good lord, I uninstalled AWB (which is the engine my bot runs on). I'll try fix yours in the new year (it isn't that far away!) but I may/may not be able to configure and remove the line break tag and put the asterisk onto the next line. P.S: You don't "upload files", you "create pages", just different terminology. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 02:10, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Improving your edits

Hello,

Thanks for for your well-written contributions. Just one or two points in order to standardize your pages according to the rest of Wikispecies:

1. The reference's title should be in normal print, and the publication's name should be in italics and not vise-versa.
2. Please separate the name, Type locality and Holotype with a blank line, rather than with a br. (see an example for both of these modifications here).

Thanks, Mariusm 06:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Satyrinae

When I add tribus etc. in the Satyrinae I work after Mark C. Williams, Checklist of Afrotropical Papilionoidea and Hesperioidea, 2008 and Gerardo Lamas Atlas of Neotropical Lepidoptera; Checklist Part 4A; Hesperioidea-Papilionoidea, 2004. Wahlberg & Brower have new tribus namely Morphini, Brassolini and Amathusiini. This is not ready yet for publication but they have their own webside tolweb. I don't add Asian species because I have no reliable information. To update the Lepidoptera it cost me a lot of time and money (last year about € 650,00). If new people add species of NOT reliable sides I'm a little bit angry because it cost a lot of time to update the genera again. Whe have had a discussion about connect the species to other sides like ITIS, Zipcode etc. The deal we make is that NO other side is reliable and that we don't connect in the references to other sides. On google you can get a lot of original bulletins with full text. I try to tell Megan this but his answer is that his work is good. I hope you understand my worry.

PeterR 19:41, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Eumaeini

Alan,

I have done the Eumaeini with sections after Gerardo Lamas Atlas of Neotropical Lepidoptera; Checklist Part 4A; Hesperioidea-Paplionoidea, 2004. Someone have placed text with This article does not use standard taxon formatting. This article may be deleted. Please remove this template if you corrected this article's taxon formatting. Please can you see if I done it correct?

PeterR 20:44, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

re: reliability of websites

Thank you, Alan, so much for your informative message. That makes complete sense. I will attempt further research on Cercyonis to ensure that the list is correct. If I need to delete a species page, can you tell me how to do that or refer me to someone who can delete it for me? Thanks, again. Meganmccarty 23:21, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your words of encouragement. Sometimes it's hard to tell what I should or shouldn't be doing here, but I do sincerely appreciate all the feedback I've received. As I understand it from all concerned, all our goals are to provide the best reliable information that we can based upon the resources we have available. And I will continue to do that. Meganmccarty 20:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion about the book. I'll look into getting a copy. Meganmccarty 19:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Poritiinae

Alan,

This was allready set up when i started in 2008. I have check it with www.Tolweb from Brower. Mark Williams in Checklist of Afrotropical Papilionoidea and Hesperioidea have the tribus Liptenini split in the subtribus Pentilina ; Durbaniina ; Mimacraeina ; Liptenina and Epitolina. I didn't have the time yet to do this. Liptenini is in Tolweb divide in 5 sections based on Eliot (1973) Durbania ; Mimacraea ; Liptena ; Iridana and Epitola. But have we set-up the Lepidoptera after Eliot (1973) or Williams (2008) and Lamas (2005). PeterR 19:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Checklist of Afrotropical Papilionoidea and Hesperioidea is a book like Lamas' book Atlas of Neotropical Lepidoptera; Checklist Part 4A; Hesperioidea-Papilionoidea. There is one side who have add both on internet and this is www.funet.fi. PeterR 19:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I have allready update Eumaeini (delete the sections etc.). If you want update Poritiinae it is good to me because your the Lycaenidae expert. I have done the Hesperioidea and Papilionoidea after Williams and Lamas. PeterR 20:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Liptenini

Alan,

Subtribes are standard also in Wiki. I shall update the side. PeterR 21:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I have update now Liptenini. PeterR 22:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Cercyonis

Cercyonis is still a mist for me. Have we make all subspecies to species and redirect to the subspecies? PeterR 22:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Celastrina oreas

Alan,

I have two ssp more namely Celastrina oreas limingani Huang 2001 and Celastrina oreas lixianica Sugiyama 2004. PeterR 09:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC) Celastrina oreas limingani Huan 2001, Neue entomologische Nachrichten 51: 72, pl. 2, f. 16. TL: Tibet, Gamagou, below Yela Pass, S of Bongda. Celastrina oreas lixianica Sugiyama 2004, Lepidoptera from China, Pallarge 8, 20 march 2004: 1-11. On google I can't get information about Pallarge. Is this a japanese bulletin?PeterR 21:38, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

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Re: co-operation

Hi Alan,
Just to answer the two questions/comments you put on my talk page:
(1) I wasn't suggesting that YOU were being uncooperative to anybody, least of all Megan, though you've gotta admit that you were trying to "persuade" her to follow your preferences for the leps, and as a "newbie" she doesn't yet know who/what she has to follow, or what rights she has to make her own decisions.
(2) I just copied that chunk of stuff from the pump to you talk page for emphasis, as I was trying to make a point. It is easy enough to remove, as indeed you already have done
Anyway, keep up the good work, and I think PeterR can benefit from your guiding hand (amusingly, I seem to recall reading some talk between you two when you first started editing and he suggested that you too were adding unreliable information on a species until you told him that you were in fact the original author of that species!!!)
Stho002 20:40, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Reply: Fine, I know exactly where you are coming from, and I am very frustrated by the fact that this site seems to have been designed without much in the way of understanding of taxonomy. The big mistake was to think that everybody adding their own opinion would somehow cancel out to the truth! Utter twaddle! Peer proofing cannot work on a wiki because, with unrestricted membership of the "peer" group, and lower levels of experience/competence being more common than higher levels, the people least qualified to judge will have the biggest say, while the "professionals" stay away altogether and ignore the site because there are no $$$ in it for them! But if you restrict the peer group then you no longer have a wiki! I apologise to all concerned if PeterR bore the brunt of my frustrations here, but you can surely see how he pressed all my wrong buttons???
Stho002 23:38, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Is Markku

I have e-mailed with Markku for years with information for updating his sides. I used The e-mail under every side. For example you go to Celastrina. After his References you find e-mail to Markku Savela in blue. PeterR 10:08, 9 February 2009 (UTC) Maybe you can try this lolf2007@moth.iki.fi. The other e-mail address from Markku I lost. PeterR 10:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC) Could you e-mail Markku? PeterR 12:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC) The download is perfect. PeterR 17:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Cercyonis

Alan,

We agree to set-up the Hesperioidea-Papilionoidea after Lamas and Williams. Cercyonis is now in Wiki in the Subtribus Maniolina but after Lamas the genus have to place in the subtribus Coenonymphina. Please can you do this? PeterR 19:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Cercyonis is put out subtribus Maniolina by Wahlberg and Brower see tolweb. The subtribus Maniolina have four genera: Aphantopus, Gyrocheilus, Maniola and Pyronia. Maybe we have to place Cercyonis with Hyponephele in subtribus: Incertae Sedis? PeterR 15:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC). If there are changes in the tribus etc we can build this with the rigt documentation.PeterR 16:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Village Pump

In village pump under the chapter Wikispecies for species or taxa I have placed a question about Celastrina echo. Maybe you can answer me. PeterR 16:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Molippa

Thanks, I have update Molippa Kohlli.

PeterR 10:04, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Please can you controll the work of Megan? Her work is not complete and with false references. I can't advise her allso to look in funet.

PeterR 10:04, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

sp. nov.

Alan,

If I'm working after Lamas I see a lot of sp. nov. Example Oenomaus sp.; Robbins, MS, page 900. Have we add those species also?

PeterR 13:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Jamides walkeri

Hi Alan, thanks for the comment on the J. walkeri issue, but I am not the one who needs convincing (I am sure you are correct). I just suspect that any serious user would probably, all other things being equal, choose to believe a "reputable" source like ION over a wiki, when the two sources disagree. You can go some way to preventing this by at least commenting on the taxon page to make it clear that you are aware of the ION version of things, and explicitly rejecting the ION version. Stho002 20:33, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I like what you have done. Things on the discussion page can get lost very easily, so, like you, I think the taxon page is the best place for small notes like that one. Stho002 21:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Jamides overview

Can you put an overview (alphabetical list) of species on the Jamides page, so people can easily locate a species alphabetically, without knowing which (sub)group to look in? Thanks. Stho002 00:07, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks, but I have just reformatted it slightly to make it more readable to someone who doesn't know the group like you do Stho002 20:13, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Thoughts?

See here. —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 12:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Polyommatus

Alan,

It is very difficult with the russians. It seams that they don't know what happened in the western science. I have ad Polyommatus (Agrodiaetus) paulae from Wiemers & De Prins, 2004. I have add allso the bulletin. So have we do it on the russian way or the western way. PeterR 23:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Chrysozephyrus

Alan,

After tolweb, funet, yutaka and others it is Chrysozephyrus.

Regards, PeterR 00:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: I'm still here

>Your plea to Peter is touching
There was no touching involved, Alan! I just wondered where you were, as you are one of the better editors around here, and I'm hoping your scaly wings stretch at least a little further than just Jamides! :)
Stho002 21:17, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Travel

Hi Alan,

Have you make nice pictures of butterflies?

On your user side you wright that you want travel more this year and make more pictures. So that's why I thinking you was away. I go end May to Portugal but not for the butterflies. Only for the beach butterflies.

Regards,

Peter

Comment Requested

Wider opinions and comments are requested on the village pump here regarding a proposed change in formatting of the taxonavigation section. Please read the and comment.--Kevmin 00:17, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Discussion closes 26 April 2009 Stho002 00:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Theclini

Alan,

I see you have update the Theclini with genera, but after Mark C. Williams Checklist of Afrotropical Papilionoidea and Haesperioidea, 2008, there are different Subfamilia: Oxylidina, Amblypodiina, Hypolycaenina, Deudoricina, Loxurina and Iolaina.

I have looked to the side. I agree with you. I don't have the book of Williams any moore. Send it a long time ago back to the library. I wait till you know more about the status of Williams subtribus.

I have some troubles with the Notodontidae from Schintlmeister's books. Do you have his e-mail address? In his latest book there is a e-mail address but when I send the e-mails to him they don't arrive.

Regards,

PeterR 09:41, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Udara

Actually, it would be better to have a straight alphabetical list of species on the Udara page, rather than having them grouped according to the subgenera. Stho002 22:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure you understand me: I don't think that grouping all the species together by subgenus on one page eases navigation at all. But having a simple alphabetical list as an alternative to subgeneric grouping does help navigation, as you don't need to know what subgenus a species belongs to in order to find it. Stho002 22:29, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I understand, but I don't have to agree. If there were 27 sub-genera, I would agree with you, but as there are only 4, and some of those pretty small, I think that it is quicker to find them species this way than to resort to clicking on each sub-genus in turn and then going back to the genus page when the species is not found (which you suggest below is "almost as quick"). My main point, however, is to ask why do people, like the un-named editor of the Udara page, waste their time reformatting pages when there are plenty of new ones that need creating. In fact, why am I spending my time in this discussion??? Accassidy 15:58, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

>"there are 4 sub-genera and here is a quick way of seeing which species falls into which group" Here is an almost as quick way: click on the subgenus name! Stho002 22:31, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

References

• Good to have you back. We need to improve the quality of referencing on WS. I have edited Hypolycaena jacksoni so that now you can click on the Internet Archive link, and the original description should spring up like magic! What sort of publication is: Williams, M. C. 2008: Checklist of Afrotropical Papilionoidea and Hesperioidea. 7th Edn. (April 2007). You have referenced it like a book, but I can't seem to trace an ISBN number. Is it an electronic publication? If so, where is the link? Cheers, Stho002 23:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, I have added the ISSN number for the journal Metamorphosis - you try a Google search to find the journal without it! Stho002 23:14, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for both those pointers. I didn't know about the Annals being available online, so I will be able to do this more often. Williams is a basic text that User:PeterR has used extensively to set up the basic species listings of African butterflies. It is also referenced consistently by Markku Savela at Funet, which is a well-researched archive. See [2].
  

I quote it as a modern review, but I do not have a copy here in paper or e-form, but I have confidence in the data published by both Peter and Markku. On Funet you will find an email link for Williams in his Reference footnotes. As I do not often deal with African species, I have not made the effort to get the full checklist myself. Its just that as I was listing species of Hypolycaena from Asia, it seemed sensible to at least to start adding data on the African species.

Incidentally, I have recently been given some specimens of some Lycaena species from New Zealand, so I will ba able to add the odd picture to those pages once they are off the setting boards. Regards Accassidy 23:25, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Cool! A local lepidopterist I know called Neville Hudson has been contributing lately to N.Z. Lepidoptera on Wikispecies, adding some good images also. The more the merrier! By the way, you were a bit sloppy with the reference on this page Hypolycaena hatita ugandae, but I have fixed it! Stho002 23:49, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Sloppy, indeed. That's what comes from transcribing the reference citations from Bridges and thinking he has mostly got them right. This www.archive.org looks like it will save me asking the RESL for photocopies quite a lot. Thanks for pointing it up. Bye. Accassidy 00:16, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

call it a late Christmas present! :) Stho002 00:27, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Re:Afrotropical

Please add the link to that website to the end of the citations of the documents you get from there, perhaps as : [downloaded from ...] Cheers, Stho002 01:30, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

There are those who like full bibliographic citations, and those who like abbreviated ones. I probably lean more to full, and you to abbreviated. I don't think we can "agree", per se, but if you opt for abbreviated, I certainly won't be wasting my time running behind you making them full! Cheers, Stho002 19:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Vandals and big sticks!

Do you want to be nominated for adminship, so you can hit your own vandals? I'll nominate you, and I doubt anybody would vote against ... Stho002 20:47, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Steven nominated you to become an admin. Would you like to accept this nomination? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 21:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok, please indicate your acceptance at Wikispecies:Administrators#Accassidy (talk · contribs) and let the vote takes place. After 7 days, if the support is >80%, then you'll become an admin. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 04:41, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Back

Alan

I'm glad you are back

Regards,

PeterR 12:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Yay! Welcome back. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 14:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Hypolycaenina

Alan,

You have to do whats right. If you write under synonyms set-up after xxx everybody know what you have doing.

There is one genus more in this subtribus namely Hemiolaus after Williams

Regards,

PeterR 18:26, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Species

Alan,

We don't make templates for species.

This is not an official WS philosophy. Therefore my remark. But it is not forbidden to do this. So in the future i do the same, because it save work.

Regards,

PeterR 18:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

we do when they have subspecies! Stho002 20:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

links to references

Alan, it really adds value to the pages if you can link to the references (PDFs or DOIs, etc.), so please try to develop your link finding skills, for example I have found a link to the PDF of this:

• Hirowatari, T. 1992: A generic classification of the tribe Polyommatini of the Oriental and Australian regions (Lepidoptera, Lycaenidae, Polyommatinae). Bulletin of the University of Osaka Prefecture (B), 44(Suppl.)

Stho002 20:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

On the Castalius page, the page reference to Fabricius (1775) was way out! I have fixed it and added the link to the publication. Stho002 00:24, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I put the page number for the Scudder designation in the Fabricius ref by mistake. Careless. Thanks for the archive reference. I have just found one myself for Castalius austini Heron. Accassidy 01:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Good - I would just prefer it if you link the article title to the article in the archive, rather than the journal title (which I link to the journal website, when there is one) Stho002 01:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Like the latest version of Caleta roxus cohaerens? Accassidy 01:41, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

yes, that is better ... Stho002 01:42, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations

Congratulations, you are now an administrator. Maxim_(talk) 21:07, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Don't spend too much time chasing those vandals. :) Your species pages are some of the best I've come across, so keep up the work! Cheers, Rocket000 23:25, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to all for your vote of confidence. Accassidy 09:42, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Looks good, don't forget to delete pages created by vandals. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 19:53, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Nothing suspicious so far. I used the log in December 2009 to compare and you can see the same pattern. Log entries that said "Account created automatically" means a user in one of the Wikipedia and associated projects created an account. The computer automatically creates an account on all wikis. What we really need to pay attention is to those entries that said "New user account". OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 19:48, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

If you are planning to block an IP, it should never be indefinite. Block for 1 week and then if that IP comes back after block expires, escalate the block period. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 17:15, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Synonyms

Alan,

If i have a subpecies Chitoria ulupi albifasciata and = tong Yoshino, 1997 means that the synonymy is Chitoria tong or Chitoria albifasciata tong. Normal i can find this in the bulletins but my library don't know bulletins from Neo Lepidoptera.

Regards,

PeterR 16:01, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Photo geometridae

Alan,

Can you help with identification of this geometrid species? deze vlinder. I have allready found these geometrid on internet without name. These picture was taken in Costa Rica near the Arenal volcano.

PeterR 10:19, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Searching BHL

Alan, I always search BHL by journal title (sometimes you have to play around a little to hit exactly the right title) Stho002 20:08, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

The volume with the Tite article appears to be missing from BHL Stho002 00:33, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

What can I do to help?

I'm new here and I have no idea what I'm going to do. Can you give me some ideas? Rin tin tin 1996 02:14, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Polyommatini

Alan

I have set the genera under each other because: 1. The additors have agree to do this. 2. I have add a new genera 2010.

So i changed the page after agreement.

One of the argumentation was that you can add easier genera, species etc. on this way.

Regards,

PeterR (talk) 13:18, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Jameeda

Alan,

I have ordered the papers allready by my library.

I surch all bulletins on internet and from some bulletins i get quaterly the contents from my library, so I can add all the new species. If i add the new information I allso update the pages (such as by Polyommatini).

Regards,

PeterR (talk) 11:49, 4 April 2010 (UTC)