Talk:Pacifigorgia engelmanni

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  • Potential issue: on 2019/09/10 WoRMS (and the other online databases) states that
1/ the name is Pacifigorgia englemanni
2/ the original combination is Gorgonia englemanni

The 3 only publications made by Horn in 1860 are all available in the Proceedings of the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia of 1860.

see Calvert P.P. 1898. A biographical Notice of Georges Henri Horn. 1-24 PDF

The first of the three papers is:

One of species described is Rhipidigorgia engelmanni with at the end of the description the text "Locality. Mazatlan. Dr. Engelmann.". It is clear that the species is nommed after Dr. Engelmann
Note that in the other 1860's publications made by Horn, no other names than the quoted name above that are close to "englemanni" or "engelmanni" are available.

Possible conclusion?

1/ the paper quoted above is the original publication
2/ the current name should be Pacifigorgia engelmanni
2/ the stated original combination should be: Rhipidigorgia engelmanni

Issue raised to WoRMS via Twitter on 2019-09-10 Christian Ferrer (talk) 20:56, 10 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

I made a search and find:
  • Rhipidigorgia engelmanni Horn, 1960: 233 [original combination]
  • Gorgonia "engelmanni"Bielschowsky, 1918: 32 [subsequent combination] (I don't have acess to full paper to check the spelling and if combination is directly or by implication, the next possibility for the first use of that combination is Gorgonia stenobrochis englemanni [sic] Kükenthal, 1919: 773, reduced as subspecies, which i don't have access either to check)
  • Pacifigorgia englemanni [sic] — Breedy & Gúzman, 2002: 816 [subsequent combination]

Checking original description "engelmmani" is the correct spelling, and "englemanni" is a incorrect subsequent spelling (ISS); and the original combination is Rhipidigorgia engelmanni (as R. Engelmanni) and not Gorgonia englemanni, that is a subsequent combination made by Bielschowsky or Kükenthal. Burmeister (talk) 00:41, 11 September 2019 (UTC)Reply