Talk:Scilloideae

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Asparagaceae s.l. subfam. Scilloideae (sensu APGIII) is currently undergoing major re-circumscription see Knirsch et al., (2015), Manning et al., (2004), Manning et al., (2009), Martínez-Azorín et al., (2014) and Martínez-Azorín et al., (2015) as examples, often as Hyacinthaceae. Therefore, this taxon page may undergo changes, if these have been accepted by the wider community. However, these changes may not necessarily be forthcoming as, for example, the proposal to replace Ornithogalum by 11 genera is treated by Stevens et al., 2015 with some scepticism and is not accepted by Govaerts et al., 2015 on the genus taxon page. Andyboorman (talk) 19:48, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

There are now two different approaches to generic circumscription within this subfamily, although there is broad agreement at the level of tribe and subtribe. Mannning et al. prefer a broader circumscription for the major genera, whereas Martínez-Azorín et al. are intent on generating numerous small segregates - see References Sections. Electronic secondary sources such as; African Plant Database, Australian Plant Census, Euro+Med and WCSP are mixed in their approaches. Print flora are several years out of date. Stevens on APW favours broad generic treatments for now pointing out several issues including sampling and taxonomic stability. Interestingly, these dramatically different approaches are based upon the same molecular and morphological evidence. Until consensus has been reached it is probably best if WS should be conservative similar to the rapid updating source WCSP. Meanwhile I will endeavour to keep loading the Reference Sections with scientific papers so that those interested have a useful source of key work. Andyboorman (talk) 20:14, 4 February 2019 (UTC)