User talk:Jsk

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Image captions

Thanks for improving Wikispecies by adding images but please see Help:Image Guidelines - especially the guideline that common/vernacular names shouldn't be added to image captions in order to keep Wikispecies as language neutral as possible. (Example: my change to Passeriformes) Thanks. --Georgeryp 18:12, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I did look at the guidelines (after those initial errors) and I fixed them. Some of the captions of images in higher levels don't have links to the species page. Are the English words "a" and "of" allowed in captions? (for example: [1] and [2])

The vernacular names seem to be not correctly coded: for example "Dusky Myzomela" is included in the code [3] but it is not visible in the article? Or are the vernacular names yet to be done? Why are the species and subspecies fields indented? Thanks, --Jsk 06:22, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

(Is the correct way to reply?)

My general comment, keeping in mind that I'm a new contributor (since April 2007), is that Wikispecies is always evolving based on proposals by any contributor but often after some consensus is reached at the Village Pump or a relevant discussion/talk page. So guidelines and formats will change and will need to be further refined. For example, the comments on Help talk:Image Guidelines.
Image Captions: As I interpret the current image caption guidelines, including the English words "a" and "of" in captions doesn't seem to have been addressed although, some may have a stricter interpretation that only the scientific name itself is allowed (and so they'd probably be justified removing everything else). Also, the guidelines don't address making the caption a link (I think caption links are handy, especially for non-experts who like to explore). So far, I haven't seen anyone remove caption links, so I therefore assume most in the community accept it. The guidelines should be updated to reflect this.

Perhaps we could do it like I have experimented with on Talk:Notodontidae? --Jsk 03:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

• That looks good but I made a few changes there as just suggestions (feel free to undo/revert them). The most important suggestion is the use of ♀ instead of the English-only "female". --Georgeryp 16:55, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Vernacular Names: There are two parts to the vernacular names section: 1) The {{VN|en=cow}} template part - which appears in the main part of the web page and 2) The interwiki [[en:cow]] part - which appears in the lower left margin as just a list of languages (with links to the appropriate Wikipedias). This is why on Myzomela obscura the code [[en:Dusky Myzomela]] seems to disappear - but I just added the VN template section now (and removed the legacy asterisk).[4]
Indentation: I think the colon indentation is left over from previous taxon format standards. It seems it wasn't until the end of 2006/beginning of 2007 that it was decided here to go with a straight list using templates for taxonavigation, so there's still a lot of obsolete formating around. In fact, most of my edits have been efforts to bring page formats current so hopefully in the future, importing all this into a database will be easier. Sorry for the long essay. Hope it helped. --Georgeryp 18:54, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
(Yes, replying where the question was asked or on the "askers" discussion/talk page seem to be the two accepted ways to do it - although I'd suggest indenting your reply with a colon or colon + asterisk.)

One image per page

The current Help:Image Guidelines state, "Only one image per species" and "When there's more than one image on Wikicommons, choose the one that shows most details" so this change to Haliaeetus needs to be reduced to one. The Wikimedia Commons link is there at the bottom, if someone wants to view more images. There is also a brief discussion about this at Help talk:Image Guidelines (note that Carassius, mentioned there was reduced to one image). --Georgeryp 16:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• Carassius was changed at [[5]]. But Help_talk:Image_Guidelines is not clear about the decision. Help:Image_Guidelines still mentions "Only one image per species" not "Only one image per page". I think the gallery idea is good - but it should be automated: in each Genus show all images in the specific pages. --Jsk 02:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

• The "one image per species" rule does not seem to allow for separate subspecies images (even just in their pages - let alone on the species page). We don't seem to be allowed to include different gender images either. --~~

• In my opinion all your points make it obvious that the "one image per species" guideline needs to be changed. Instead of "species" it should probably apply to the last taxon on each branch (i.e. the end "leaves" of the branches, which is either a species or subspecies in most cases). Also, I agree, in many cases, a "leaf" could not be well represented without both a male and a female image (also, what about cases where an immature organism is significantly different?). So, at the "leaves" (end nodes) of the tree one image for each distinct appearance (male, female, immature - or other stages of life cycle/seasonality) should be allowed? But I am unsure of what the rule should be about the branches. One thing to keep in mind is, if too many images are included on the branches, some over at Commons (or even the Wikipedias?) may claim Wikispecies is trying to be a fork of Commons. --Georgeryp 17:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)