Talk:Unplaced Senecioneae

Key findings from Pelser (2007) include the following. The monophyly of the Senecio medley-woodii-Brachyglottis clade was well supported. It was sister to Senecioninae-Othonninae clade. It was formed by Brachyglottis and eight allied genera plus a group of South African succulents presently ascribed to Senecio (S. medley-woodii, S. pyramidatus, and S. scaposus). Phylogenetically all of the presently segregated genera could be subsumed into an expanded Brachyglottis s.l., but the morphological diversity would make it difficult to find satisfactory synapomorphies. It was difficult to justify circumscription of any of the genera in the Senecio medley-woodii-Brachyglottis clade into traditional subtribes. Pelser et al. have suggested that subtribe Brachyglottidinae be created to accommodate this clade, but this has not been formally published. The genera that would be placed in this subtribe are: Acrisione, Bedfordia, Brachyglottis, Capelio, Centropappus, Dolichoglottis, Haastia, Papuacalia, Traversia and Urostemon.

Chersodoma was sister either to the Tussilagininae s.str. clade or the Senecio medley-woodii-Brachyglottis clade and subtribal placement therefore is elusive. This could be solved by using the monotypic, but unpublished, Chersodominae. However, it is best to keep it in Tussilagininae for now Nordenstam et al. (2009).

Doronicum could be placed either in Doroniceae Panero (2005), Senecioneae-Doronicinae or not even belong in Senecioneae or any other published tribe.

These analyses have been largely supported by Nordenstam et al. (2009) and quoting them; "In summary, Abrotanellinae (monogeneric), Othonninae, Senecioninae, and Tussilagininae are the only subtribes supported by molecular data (Pelser et al. 2007). All remaining previously described subtribes should be abolished due to a nested position." However, to date the situation is still largely unresolved. Andyboorman (talk) 18:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)