User talk:Narky Blert

Welcome

Hello, and welcome to Wikispecies! Thank you for your contributions! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you need help or have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask me on my talk page, or in the Village Pump. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 22:24, 17 December 2016 (UTC).

@Tommy Kronkvist: TY! I do intend to stay.

One of my interests is biographies of C19 naturalists who lack the Wikipedia articles they deserve. I was shocked that Richard Brinsley Hinds had no article - and, that I'd never heard of him before. I found him as binomial authority for a marine invertebrate, simply as "Hinds". It took some effort to track him down. I hope that his Wikipedia article (which is the result of a collaborative effort) does him some justice.

I have linked between Wikipedia and Wikispecies before now (see e.g. Edward Burton; I wrote his Wikipedia article), but have never written a Wikispecies article. Here's a man who IMO deserves a Wikispecies article: w:Alfred Nicholson Leeds, see Leedsichthys problematicus. Not many people have a species named in their honour, let alone a genus.

I'm currently working on James Hardy (1815-1898), who seems to be missing from both Wikipedia and Wikispecies: binomial authority for w:Anguina graminis and probably more. Narky Blert (talk) 23:15, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good! I got rather inspired by your notes here, and as a result created a "Hinds" author disambiguation page, added a list of eponyms to the Richard Brinsley Hinds article, formatted the Edward Burton page somewhat, created the Alfred Nicholson Leeds page, and added all kinds of data to Leedsichthys problematicus, and created the missing Leedsichthys page for the genus.

I have a hard time finding any information about Doctor James Hardy though, other than that he was "an indefatigable historian of the Berwickshire Naturalists Club" in Scotland, and also their secretary. There are at least two titles at the Biodiversity Heritage Library that might be helpful. I haven't read them myself, but if you like to you can find them here: BHL and BHL. By the way, the genus Anguina is listed as a synonym to Trichosanthes here at Wikispecies. That should probably be looked into, though personally I have little knowledge about nematology, and very limited access to any relevant literature on the subject. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 17:42, 18 December 2016 (UTC).

@Tommy Kronkvist: TY for those links, I'll dig into them - and I'm glad I inspired you! :-)

I found an obituary for James Hardy, and am working with that for general biography purposes. FYI, Hardy called A. graminis, Vibrio graminis - see his 1850 paper.

Someone else you might wish to incorporate into Wikispecies? - w:Ralph Hopping. I fell across him today, as yet another bad link in Wikipedia (my primary interest is in fixing bad links to disambiguation pages). I've posted a call for help in w:Wikipedia:WikiProject Insects, in the hope that someone there might be able to help improve that new article (in which I've included some cautionary remarks, I suspect that he was not the only person who has been cited as "Hopping".)

Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 02:11, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: Hi Narky Blert. I've seen that you're an active user on the WikiProject Linguistics, so I thought you could help me to understand a thing. In the Help:IPA/Italian page I read in note 5: "the n in /nɡ/~/nk/ is a velar [ŋ], and the one in /nf/~/nv/ is the labiodental [ɱ]". I was wondering why in the symbol list does appear ŋ but ɱ doesn't, but I've read in the same note: "but for simplicity, ⟨m⟩ is used here". Why such a distinguo is made here? In Italian a nasal always assimilates to the following consonant, so ŋ can be found just before k and g while ɱ can be found just before f and v. If it's for simplicity, then also ŋ should be transcribed as n (since, unlike in other languages, in Italian this sound can't be found elsewhere). But this makes the transcription less accurate. Then, why doesn't ɱ have its own place in the list? It's weird to me such a different treatment... Could you enlighten me about this issue, please? Thank you if you will! 2001:1640:5:0:0:0:2:35 20:39, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm no linguist! (though I do think of myself as a low-quality polyglot). The best place to ask for help with this sort of technical question is w:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 20:57, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Authority control

Please include {{Authority control}}, Charlton Bastian&oldid=4894700 like this, every time you create a biography page. It will lie dormant until there are values in Wikidata to display. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:05, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. Narky Blert (talk) 17:21, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Thankyou for granting me the AP privilege. I only add biographies to WS if there is already a WP article, somewhere (and I then make the Wikidata link). I don't see much point in writing a WS biography which contains only the bare name and neither citations nor links to taxa. However, WS biographies which link to WP articles are another matter: I'm a WikiGnome, and use them when trying to resolve ambiguous links in WP.

On another topic altogether: does WS allow space for a naturalist who never wrote a paper in his life, but passes WP's GNG test? I'm putting the finishing touches to a sandbox article about a C19 collector who has two genera and ten species (including the two type species) named in his honour; in addition, two of those species' English common names begin with the possessive form of his surname. Narky Blert (talk) 21:46, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I've seen biographies for people who have not named a taxon, but who have authored papers which are nonetheless cited on taxon pages. However, Wikispecies:Notability does not yet exist. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:13, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: AFAIC, Wikispecies:Notability doesn't need to exist. If you've got your name on a paper, WS can help find you, even if you're a grad student.

I'll keep you posted. In the meantime, I give you w:Fornasini's blind snake, w:Fornasini's spiny reed frog, Fornasiniana and Fornasinius. Some people just slip through the cracks. Narky Blert (talk) 22:53, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I mentioned Wikispecies:Notability in respsonse to your question "does WS allow space for a naturalist who never wrote a paper in his life, but passes WP's GNG test?". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:55, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: I finally bit the bullet: Carlo Antonio Fornasini. Narky Blert (talk) 00:23, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Intriguing. Is this the same person: [1]? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:49, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: That looks like w:it:Carlo Fornasini. He was a micropaleontologist, and if you click on the link in your citation, there's a mention of forams. Narky Blert (talk) 15:00, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: For your interest, w:Carlo Fornasini. Narky Blert (talk) 17:20, 17 April 2019 (UTC)