Talk:Nivenioideae
Nivenioideae are apparently paraphyletic; the genera Klattia, Nivenia and Witsenia are closely related, but the other three are isolated.
The current (12/1/06) treatment at http://www.mobot.org/MOBOT/Research/APweb/ groups all six genera into an expanded Crocoideae. I understand that, if the dogma of cladistics is to be strictly followed, this is the best that can be done for the present. But it overrides the distinctive morphological synapomorphies that define Crocoideae sensu stricto. Until the phylogeny of these deep branches in the irids is better known, I suggest retaining the four subfamilies including Nivenioideae.
DavidCooke 22:26, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
The current thinking is moving towards retaining this subfamily, but moving Aristea to Aristeoideae, Patersonia to Patersonioideae and Geosiris to Geosiridoideae (see refs over).This renders Nivenioideae monophyletic with a "woody" apomorphy, but has minimal effects of the rest of the family. However, monotypic subfamilies are not ideal (although of course they are monophyletic!), but the alternative of an expanded Crocoideae would lead to a problem identifying morphological apomorphies! Andyboorman (talk) 19:33, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
External links modified[edit]
Hello fellow editors,
I have just modified 1 external links on Nivenioideae. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20160304211717/https://bib03.caspur.it/ojspadis/index.php/Annalidibotanica/article/view/9059/8999 to https://bib03.caspur.it/ojspadis/index.php/Annalidibotanica/article/view/9059/8999
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 17:04, 23 June 2017 (UTC)