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Alternative classification (include fossil orders)[edit]

Classis Aves

Subclassis † Saurornithes
Ordo † Archaeopterygiformes
Ordo † Yandangithiformes
Ordo † Confuciusornithiformes
Ordo † Liaoxiornithiformes
Infraclassis † Ornithothoraces
Legio † Ornithurae
Ordo † Chaoyangornithiformes
Cohort † Enantiornithes
Ordo † Aberratiodontuiformes
Superordo † Euenantiornithes
Ordo † Longipterygiformes
Ordo † Eoenantiornithiformes
Ordo † Alexornithiformes
Ordo † Euornithiformes
Cohort † Patagopterygiformes
Ordo † Patagopterygiformes
Cohort † Praeornithurae
Magnordo † Protoaviornithes
Ordo † Protoaviformes
Subclassis indeterminate
Ordo † Omnivoropterygiformes
Subclassis † Odontornithes
Infraclassis † Odontoholcae
Magnordo † Hesperornithes
Ordo † Hesperornithiformes
Infraclassis † Odontotormae
Ordo † Ichthyornithiformes
Subclassis Carinatae
Infraclassis Neornithes
Parvclassis Paleognathae
Ordo † Ambiortiformes
Ordo † Gansuiformes
Ordo † Palaeocursornithiformes
Ordo Casuariiformes
Ordo † Dinornithiformes
Ordo Apterygiformes
Ordo Rheiformes
Ordo † Linornithiformes
Ordo † Aepyornithiformes
Ordo Struthioniformes
Ordo Tinamiformes
Parvclassis Neognathae
Magnordo Galloanserae
Superordo Gallomorphae
Ordo Craciformes
Ordo Galliformes
Superordo Anserimorphae
Ordo Anseriformes
Magnordo Turnicae
Ordo Turniciformes
Magnordo Picae
Ordo Piciformes
Magnordo Coraciae
Ordo † Sandcoleiformes
Superordo Galbulimorphae
Ordo Galbuliformes
Superordo Bucerotimorphae
Ordo Bucerotiformes
Ordo Upupiformes
Superordo Coraciimorphae
Ordo Coraciiformes
Ordo Trogoniformes
Magnordo Coliae
Ordo Coliiformes
Magnordo Passerae
Superordo Cuculimorphae
Ordo Cuculiformes
Superordo Psittacimorphae
Ordo Psittaciformes
Superordo Apodimorphae
Ordo Apodiformes
Ordo Trochiliformes
Superordo Strigimorphae
Ordo Musophagiformes
Ordo Strigiformes
Superordo Passerimorphae
Ordo Columbiformes
Ordo † Diatrymiformes
Ordo Gruiformes
Ordo Ciconiiformes
Ordo Passeriformes

Source : http://www.paleofile.com/Demo/Mainpage/Taxalist/Dinosaurs/Aves.htm

Position of Aves[edit]

The page currently lists Aves as a subdivision of Tetrapoda, but that page does not itself list Aves as a subdivision. I would suggest that Aves instead be listed as a subdivision of Amniota, and that page changed to reflect this, but it may be that there is a better level at which to place the birds. Whichever solution is decided on, I think it should at least be possible to reach this page by navigating down the tree, which at present cannot be done. Anaxial 13:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I stand corrected - this can be done from Eumaniraptora. So the other possibility is therefore to link Aves to that page, instead of to Tetrapoda, as at present. I certainly think we ought to do one or the other, for the sake of consistency.Anaxial 13:39, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Synonym of ‘bird’?[edit]

It is often said that the scientific name Aves is synonymous with the English term ‘bird’. The English Wikipedia article Bird says so. Also, on the English Wikipedia, Aves redirects to Bird. But this article contradicts that. It says that Aves doesn't only include birds, but also non-avian theropod dinosaurs which, like birds, had feathers, but some of them had teeth and not all had beaks. What is the definition of Aves? It's very confusing, in some Romantic languages the word for ‘bird’ sounds very similar to Aves, and the English word ‘avian’ means ‘relating to birds’. –How come why not (talk) 09:43, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

@How come why not: One must differentiate between synonyms in lexical semantics, and synonyms within the field of taxonomy. The word "bird" might very well be considered a synonym to the word "aves", but in taxonomical terms there is no taxon named "bird" (complete with author name and year of scientific publication) so no, from that perspective "bird" is not (and can not be) a synonym of Aves.
In the same manner Canis domesticus is a synonym of Canis lupus familiaris, but "dog" is not. Similarly, "human" (and "Mensch", "homme", "hombre" etc.) are not taxonomical synonyms of Homo sapiens. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:48, 13 August 2016 (UTC).
@Tommy Kronkvist: By Aves being ‘synonymous’ with ‘bird’, I mean Aves being a (not the; as Neornithes is synonymous with ‘bird’ in that sense), scientific name of ‘bird’. This is the same way ‘passerine’ is synonymous with Passeriformes. —How come why not (talk) 08:24, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
@How come why not: Again, one must differentiate between synonyms in lexical semantics, and synonyms within the field of taxonomy. The English word ‘passerine’ is synonymous with ‘Passeriformes’, but only in terms of lexical semantics. In terms of taxonomy and systematics (i.e. the only fields of importance to Wikispecies) the taxon ‘passerine’ is not synonymous with the taxon Passeriformes Linnaeus, 1758, simply because it is not a taxon in the first place. If it were a taxon it would also have an author, such as Charles Darwin, Carolus Linnaeus, or other. Wikispecies only deals with taxa, the authors of taxa and their publications, and the repositories where type material of taxa are collected. Hence all synonyms (or "words") that are not also a taxon are out of scope of the Wikispecies project, and should not be included. On the other hand Wikipedia is a much broader project, and there it may very well be okay to add them. For differences between Wikispecies and Wikipedia, please see What Wikispecies is not. –Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:46, 1 September 2016 (UTC).

Synonym of Neornithes?[edit]

Speaking of Neornithes, why does it have a separate page from Aves? I know that Neornithes is synonymous (in the sense I explained before), with the English word ‘bird’, and it redirects there in the English Wikipedia. —How come why not (talk) 08:29, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

@How come why not: Indeed Neornithes is a synonym of Aves. However it is also a valid taxon of its own, as an infraclass of the class Aves. This takes precedence, and is why Neornithes deserves a page of its own. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:46, 1 September 2016 (UTC).

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