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- 1 Consolida regalis bacomes Delphinium consolida
- 2 Hibiscus hispidissimus
- 3 The Plant List
- 4 template:nomen
- 5 new to wikispecies
- 6 mw:Requests for comment/UploadWizard: scale to sister projects
- 7 Move request
- 8 New Zealand categories (continued)
- 9 Inconsistency between Cathartes page and Cathartes aura page?
- 10 Visible links from Wikispecies pages to Wikipedia pages - wanted or not wanted?
- 11 revert the edit
Consolida regalis bacomes Delphinium consolida
Hello, It seems that the genus Consolida is now included into Delphinium. Please, have a look on this paper : Jabbour F. , Renner S., 2011. Consolida and Aconitella are an annual clade of Delphinium (Ranunculaceae) that diversified in the Mediterranean basin and the Irano-Turanian region. Taxon 60 (4): 1029–1040. Gtaf (talk) 21:12, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- Not yet. Note the comment in the abstract (my emphasis): "To achieve a classification of mutually monophyletic genera in Delphinieae may require transferring the species of Aconitella and Consolida into Delphinium". The new combinations needed are yet to be formally made. So one to put on hold for wikispecies. - MPF (talk) 00:42, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants#File:Hibiscus_hispidissimus_at_Kadavoor.jpg. Jkadavoor (talk) 09:40, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- Removed the redirect by Shyamal now. Thanks. Jkadavoor (talk) 09:42, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect of Merremia vitifolia also seems wrong. Jkadavoor (talk) 09:44, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
The Plant List
This resource, which is used by many contributors has recently been updated to version 1.1. Is it possible for an admin to write a bot that can automatically update pages that already cite it? For example, using Berberidaceae, the old URL link is http://www.theplantlist.org/browse/A/Berberidaceae/ Berberidaceae and the new would simply be http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/browse/A/Berberidaceae/ Berberidaceae. Mind you the reference ought to be a simple template - The Plant List (2010) Version 1.1 Berberidaceae. Published on the Internet. Accessed 9 Sept 2013. is a bit chunky! Thanks Andyboorman (talk) 19:36, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Feel free to use the TPLF template it gives a full citation do not forget to use the date and add the plant name at the end for more complex pages, e.g. Camellia page. Andyboorman (talk) 15:13, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
- I am astonished that there is now a Category:New species 2014 established by Stho002. When in 2012 I established a Category:New species-group name 2012 it was immediately eliminated with its contents by Stho002. Kempf EK (talk) 18:33, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- I only see you creating 5 categories in 2012. There're more categories like Category:New taxa for Ostracoda in 2012 that are created by you but they are from 2013. From what I can see, you only have 6 deleted contributions. They are all article pages and created in 2011. Am I missing something here? OhanaUnitedTalk page 06:34, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
new to wikispecies
Hi I am a biologist turned teacher who has wandered into the world of wiki editing. I have taxonomy in my blood and a little red-legged spider named after me (Neoramia margaretae) so would like to join here and maybe even be allowed to edit... I really like the layout but think a 1 para description of each major group would be really helpful... very concise and accurate information about the defining features of that group of organisms. I know i have to serve an apprenticeship first but that is ok by me... if someone could just write back about the process please :) I would be most grateful. Reefswaggie (talk) 11:40, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
- Hello Margaret and welcome. The first thing is to read the page called Templates which gives you an idea about how editing can be made effective and approximately standard. Then look at existing pages that are in your area of principal taxonomic concern and see how they have developed and been laid out. A lot of the wiki-formatting is obscure until you click on the 'edit' button at the top of the page and then you can inspect the raw code to see where italicisation or boldening or Small Capitals for authors have been used. I've put ''[]'' around your patronym above to italicise it and make it a hyperlink see if there as already a page for it on the system (there is). If the name had been in red, then it would still await creation. As well a pages for taxa, we also have pages for authors and Templates for references, so that they can be universally updated from a single point. Once you have done a little background reading, then I suggest you just test out a few things in an area of taxonomic interest (mine is primarily Oriental Lycaenidae). Lastly, always click on the [Show Preview] button before the [Save Page] button - a bit like checking your shoes are laced up before leaving the house. As a pastime, it can become quite addictive, as there is always more work to do and like all taxonomy it will never be finished. Contributing works for me though, as it acts as a repository of things I think I have understood and that are hard to remember. I hope you grow to like it too. Alan Accassidy (talk) 21:35, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
- I forgot about your other question. The main point of Species Wiki is that it is primarily independent of language and opinion. So adding even "concise and accurate" information is not really the point. However, each taxonomic page is backed by a discussion page, and this might well be a good place to put description or indeed any other language based material that may be of help to others. Alan Accassidy (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
- Welcome! At this project and its sisters, anyone can edit. It's the core philosophy of the projects. Gryllida (talk) 20:44, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
I had observed apparent need of items wizards - upload wizards, article wizards - in interactivity everyone can edit. Gadgets seem too unsafe, were everybody given access to edit ones which are on by default; however ones only available for you, like a user script, are useless for a non-tech-savvy newcomer.
I have opened a request for comment for the Wmf engineering people to put some of their work on Common's upload wizard into extracting the useful bits and perhaps isolating them in something sister projects can safely reuse and edit.
Yes or no? How? Thoughts? Feedback? Please participate in the discussion and help me spread it to other sister projects.
Pterocnemia pennata to Rhea pennata - taxonomic update (ref [scroll to near end of page]). Needs an admin as the destination page has a history that needs deleting first. Thanks! - MPF (talk) 11:43, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
New Zealand categories (continued)
Reopening this, as it was archived before any conclusion was reached, due to a regrettable descent into personal animosities. At the end of that discussion, Stho002's comment was (my emphasis):
Managing my work in progress is not the issue here. What I want to be able to do is to browse Wikispecies for a particular country rather than just globally, and N.Z. is my first priority country. I would be very happy to see others do the same for other countries. References for a species in a particular country are not important enough to put on the global taxon pages, but obviously are important on the country pages, which link back to the global pages if you want info. on nomenclature or global distribution. Stho002 (talk) 23:19, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Recently, while doing other work on Equisetum, I took out the erroneous New Zealand category (the taxon is noted for its destribution "Cosmopolitan except for Australia and New Zealand": ); Stho002 added it again, despite the genus' absence from the New Zealand native flora. As a trial experiment, I tried Stho's suggestion welcoming the addition of categories for other countries; the result (here; scroll to end of page) was not a success in terms of Wikispecies formatting, so I undid the trial. But it leads me to conclude that distributional categories, particularly using nations, are not an appropriate format to use in Wikispecies. First, the data is cumbersome, particularly for widely-distributed taxa; second, nations (human political entities) are not appropriate for dealing with taxon distributions, given the huge disparities in unit size (nearly 40 million-fold, from the Vatican City's 44 hectares up to 17,098,242 km2 for Russia) and their lack of coincidence with biological regions; and third, because incomplete categorisation is misleading to users, but (if they were to be used) would require a vast additional editorial input to reach any form of completion — input which we don't have, and could better spend on adding taxa with no wikispecies pages. I therefore propose a formal vote on the subject; everyone please add your votes / opinions. Thanks! - MPF (talk) 17:53, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
The addition of categories also works in Equisetum, but in a different way. It should not be done under the genus name, but on the different species pages where you need information on the type locality. Have a look at Equisetum bogotense.
- There is no need to change it. It is perfectly fine as I have been doing it. I would put [[Category:Equisetum bogotense (Colombia)]] on the Equisetum bogotense page, and then [[Category:Equisetum (Colombia)]] on the [[Category:Equisetum bogotense (Colombia)]] page. Any references relating specifically to the species in Colombia would then be listed on the [[Category:Equisetum bogotense (Colombia)]] page rather than on the Equisetum bogotense page, which is reserved for global context references (including nomenclature and descriptions of the species, so there may be a little bit of relevance overlap). One would have to be an idiot to assume that [[Category:Equisetum bogotense (Colombia)]] somehow implies that the species is endemic to Colombia (though it might be). Stho002 (talk) 02:22, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
- Distributional categories should not be admitted in Wikispecies
- Distributional categories should be permitted in Wikispecies
1. The Wikispecies database is a very powerful system which has the potential to support researchers in their work, provided that Wikispecies pages are based on those publications with the original description. The Wikispecies system, I think, is too powerful than to end up just with a list of species, like some other online databases that are of no use to scientists.
Categories within Wikispecies can be a very helpful tool for arranging species in different groups. The need or the advantage of categories may be different in the many organism groups of Wikispecies. I am mainly contributing to the field of Ostracoda which are Crustacea living world-wide in freshwater of any kind, but also in the marine realm from the intertidal zone down to abyssal depths. In addition, they have an extremely long fossil record of about 500 million years.
I established quite a number of categories. For living freshwater ostracods I established categories for the ecozones, from where the species originally had been described, for instance: Palaearctic Ostracoda, Neotropic Ostracoda, Australasian Ostracoda. For living marine ostracods I established categories like: North Atlantic Ocean Ostracoda, Indian Ocean Ostracoda, South Pacific Ostracoda. For fossil Ostracoda there are categories like: Cenozoic Ostracoda, Mesozoic Ostracoda, Palaeozoic Ostracoda and their subdivisions.
I see some problems with categories for single countries. In those cases it should be made clear that it is not a matter of endemic species, but just a listing of species that have ever been found in that country, native or as an exotic element.
2. I am with Kempf. Wikispecies is becoming a powerful tool for scientists and the more links with other sources the better. I have not created categories, but can see their uses. Of course we need to make sure the genera and species get added, but a minimal list adds nothing new. Andyboorman (talk) 20:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
3. As for MPF's comment "and could better spend on adding taxa with no wikispecies pages", I draw your attention to Category:New_species_2014, where I have created articles for well over 1000 new species described so far in 2014, and MPF has contributed nothing, so I don't think he is in any position to pontificate about where "input" is better spent! Stho002 (talk) 20:23, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Inconsistency between Cathartes page and Cathartes aura page?
I'm not an expert on taxonomies, but I use wikispecies regularly to help me add keywords to my wildlife photographs (thanks for an incredibly useful web site), and I noticed that there appears to be an inconsistency between Cathartes and Cathartes aura. While the former page includes "C. aura" in the list of species and links to the latter page, the former page says Cathartes is classified under Ciconiiformes/Ciconiidae/Cathartinae, the latter page says Cathartes is classified under Accipitriformes/Cathartidae. I assume one of the pages must be in error, but I'm not sure which one. FWIW, one of my other references is the University of Michigan's "Animal Diversity Web", and  shows something different than either those pages, namely that Cathartes is classified under Falconiformes/Cathartidae.
- Sorted; Accipitriformes/Cathartidae is correct (ref). The genus page had a hangover from an outdated classification that held temporary sway in the late 1990s. Thanks for spotting it! - MPF (talk) 09:58, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
When contributing to the Wikispecies page Equisetum bogotense I found two invisible or spurious links to Wikipedia pages:
I corrected those links as mentioned above (Note: If you insert links to Wikipedia pages in your comments, don't forget the leading colon (:) before the wiki language code) so that they became visible and clickable on the Wikispecies page:
However, Stho002 immediately changed those links back to
so that they became invisible or spurious again.
Are links from Wikispecies to Wikipedia not wanted?
- The format [[en:Equisetum bogotense]] is actually correct, that's the standard interwiki format; look at the bottom of the left-hand column and you'll see "In other languages", and below that, links to en and es wikis on the Equisetum bogotense page. Obviously, for better-known species (e.g. Panthera leo), the interwiki list is far longer. - MPF (talk) 17:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
- Added a couple more interwikis, for Arabic and Runa Simi - MPF (talk) 17:42, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry! But thanks for the information. I had been concentrating on the Wikispecies page and neglected the sidebar.