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Wikidata [edit]

Happy New Year! Are there any ideas / concepts how Wikispecies will use Wikidata? In a few weeks Wikidata will be able to collect the basic infos (called "properties") for info boxes. You can add your suggestions & wishes here: d:Wikidata:Infoboxes task force/terms. --Kolja21 (talk) 02:27, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

This is my third visit here which seems to be roughly annual. The question above seems key. If you have 10s of thousands of new species then should yu not load them centrally. This would make wikispecies into the 2wikimedia commons" for species data. I actually came here to work out that if I'm labelling a botanic garden with QRpedia codes then should the visitor be taken to wikipedia or wikispecies. Ive loaded up a list of the 1900 species in "my" botanic garden and I'm wondering whether I get a better payback per click by using wikispecies or wikipedia. Any ideas or help welcome. See my recent load into my sandbox space for background. (It doesn't display well as I need to add some templates). Thanks for listening Victuallers (talk) 09:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Please also see d:Wikidata:Project_chat#Include_Wikispecies_into_Wikidata. PiRSquared17 (talk) 22:57, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

And I have replied on the page that it's a terrible idea given the lack of quality control for the incoming information. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 21:45, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Left a note on your talk page here. PiRSquared17 (talk) 03:20, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Illustrated Wikispecies Tree [edit]

I've created an interactive illustrated tree of life based on the Wikispecies data. You can check it out here. (See Village_Pump#Taxon_Tree, especially EncycloPetey's comments, for discussion of what such a tree can and cannot be.)

Apart from being fun to play with, one purpose this can serve is to help spot erroneous links on Wikispecies. For example, the plant family Melastomataceae is currently listed as containing Dionycha, which is a group of spiders. I've already corrected a bunch of these errors locally, so they're no longer visible in the tree linked above. However I wasn't sure how to go about correcting them on Wikispecies. Presumably what the person who entered "Dionycha" intended was something like "Dionycha_(Plantae)", so I shouldn't just delete the link, right? In any case, here is a list of erroneous links I noticed.

If you're interested in using this as a tool for verification, here is an uncorrected version based on the most recent dump (2013.01.05). Some further issues are also discussed there.

-- Lifetree (talk) 03:41, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

That is really cool! Thanks for taking the time to make this. Best of all, not only does it actually illustrate the tree of life, it even helps us in identifying errors. But don't overlook archaea and virus (yes, I know viruses aren't considered as "living", but they are probably part of the tree of life). Do you happen to be User:Csparr? Also, do you mind if I post the link to the broader Wikipedia community? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 04:22, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Glad you enjoyed it! No, I'm not User:Csparr. Actually, I've never edited Wikispecies. I just wanted to see what it would look like in this form. I'll try running the same code on Archaea, Bacteria and Virus when I have a chance. Although since those sections are so sparsely illustrated, the resulting trees may not be a good representation of their underlying structure. Sure, you can go ahead and post links broadly. The project is currently hosted on a server at my university, and I guess it should be able to handle the traffic (though it does go down from time to time). Ideally, I'd like to find a more reliable place to host this. -- Lifetree (talk) 05:12, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Most of the links in the errors file linked to above are for homonyms and those links have now all been corrected (although the disambiguation of the page linked to is a more time consuming process for later. There are two exceptions. The first, Pertusaria globospora, was a case of host information listed incorrectly in the taxonavigation section, and that is now corrected. The second, two links from Tephritoidea, should be restored in your tree, because the links are actually correct, and I am not sure why they showed as errors. Koumz (talk) 16:56, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting those! Ah, yes, the links from Tephritoidea are correct. It's the next links down that were the problem (Pyrgotidae>Osa and Richardiidae>Richardia). I've fixed these on Wikispecies and updated the errors file. -- Lifetree (talk) 23:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

The interactive tree is extremely cool. I love the way one can zoom in or out with the mousewheel, and click to less- or more-inclusive taxa. I was playing with the large Fish taxon Ovalentaria on the tree, and noticed that it omits some major families (such as Cichlidae) and many small families (such as Phallostethidae). In comparing the Ovalentaria tree with the Ovalentaria page, I see that the groups omitted from the tree are those lacking representation in the Taxonavigation section as Ordines or Subordines. The omitted families are currently listed only in the Overview of families section. I see no easy fix, as the "traditional" Ordo (Perciformes) and Subordo (Labroidei) of the Cichlidae, e.g., have been shown to be non-monophyletic; therefore, these are not listed in the taxonavigation of Ovalentaria. Comparable problems, I suspect, afflict many other higher taxa (a temporary, but real, problem as our phylogenetic knowledge rapidly advances). MKOliver (talk) 05:16, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for this feedback. Actually both the families you mentioned are represented in the tree... they just might not be where you want them. :) To take Phallostethidae as an example, you might think that since it's directly linked to from Ovalentaria it should be directly connected to that node. However it turns out that Phallostethidae is also linked to from Atherinoidei lower down the tree. Whenever my program runs into a situation like this, it hangs the node at the lower position. As for Cichlidae, it actually appears outside of Ovalentaria. This unfortunate decision is due to a similar problem. Cichlidae is linked to both from Ovalentaria and from Labroidei, so the program has to decide where to hang it. Since Labroidei is lower in the tree, it goes there. -- Lifetree (talk) 08:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

For reference, the program is making use of both the Taxonavigation and the Overview links, and doesn't distinguish between them. Because it resolves ambiguous cases by choosing the lower position (as described above), "long" links from Overview sections usually end up getting pruned. -- Lifetree (talk) 08:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

In order to understand the Ovalentaria case in detail, one needs to look at the pages themselves. Unfortunately, this case requires some special handling because the link to Cichlidae on the page Labroidei is in fact a notation about Cichlidae having been removed from Labroidei, so Cichlidae shouild actually not be placed under Labroidei, but under Ovalentaria (possibly we will move the notation at some point). We are keeping such notations for now because the Wainwright paper is new and we want to allow people some time to adjust out of the previous thinking. Koumz (talk) 14:57, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense. Sadly, there's no way for the program to interpret any qualifications like "removed by Wainwright et al. 2012" that appear next to links. It's nice that this information is there, but I also wonder if it couldn't be reorganized to a different section of the page. The assumption my code makes is that links in the Taxonavigation section below the current taxon will be contained within it. For the time being, I've added Labroidei to the list of remaining issues here. -- Lifetree (talk) 16:43, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I've moved the Labroidei links to the talk page by adjustment of the note on the page itself. Cymatium was a blatant formatting error which is now fixed. As for Dictyozoa and other top-level taxa answerable to Thomas Cavalier-Smith, that situation is confused by multiple opinions (Cavalier-Smith's and others) and noone here wants to take time trying to sort it out (from what I can see), so those ranks are largely ignored here and likely to remain so. Koumz (talk) 17:05, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Awesome, it's good to know that when I re-render everything using next week's dump, these kinks will be out. -- Lifetree (talk) 18:11, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Was looking at Pinaceae, and see there are 10 larches shown (~70% of the total) and 18 spruces (~60%), but only four firs (~10%) and just one pine (<1% of the total) - is it a formatting fault on wikispecies that not all of the species are shown, or does the problem lie elsewhere? - MPF (talk) 22:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, all this is "great fun", but we only have pages currently for about 5% of all species, so shouldn't that be our priority, or are we falling into the common trap of "let's develop ways to do cool things with data, and worry about actually getting the data later ..."? Stho002 (talk) 22:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

No, it's about making sure our data is accessible to users. This could potentially be a way of spotting missing taxa that should be added, but it isn't working as such yet. As for priorities on wikispecies, I'll gladly add taxa where I feel competent to do so, but in my areas of knowledge, wikispecies is closer to 95% complete, not 5%. However, good formatting is not so complete. - MPF (talk) 23:37, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, good for you! But one only has to look at pages like, for example, Curculionidae to see how incomplete the project is, even for genera ... Stho002 (talk) 02:40, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I figured out the pines problem. I'd been mistakenly ignoring some templates that inserted extra text into links (f, nothosubsp, nsect, nvar, sect, ser, subgplant, subsect, subser, subspforma, subspplant, subspvar, supersect, var). If I'd been working directly from the HTML, this wouldn't have been an issue... but I thought I'd spare Wikispecies the bandwidth and work from the XML instead. Anyway, I've fixed my code, and the graph for Pinus now contains around a hundred nodes (not online yet though). I'll rerun everything tomorrow from the ground up with all these corrections in place and update the web page. -- Lifetree (talk) 06:12, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

It also shows how much work lies ahead. I just took a dive into dinosaur articles and found most of them did not have images on the page but the media is available elsewhere (hence many species don't show up on the tree of life). OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 07:21, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I left a message in the suggestion page for Wikipedia Signpost(a weekly newsletter). Assuming that they will pick up this story, the traffic would start coming on Monday or shortly afterwards. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 05:21, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

The server hosting the life tree was getting really flaky, so I moved the project to another site. This newest version also fixes many of the problems people had noticed, including the issues at Ovalentaria and Pinaceae. Around 3,300 taxa that were not in the tree before have been added, including a bunch with names like "Pinus subg. Strobus" that I'd been mishandling before. Additionally, the tree now includes Archaea, Bacteria and Viruses. -- Lifetree (talk) 16:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! And for Stho002, the ease of spotting errors with it has prompted a lot of editing - MPF (talk) 17:50, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

One comment from Wikispecies mailing list. Someone suggested the svg diagram text on the website should accommodate small monitors.[1] OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 06:18, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for passing this along. For me it looks fine on a small monitor as long as Javascript is enabled for zooming with the mouse wheel. Zooming may not work properly in IE though. -- Lifetree (talk) 14:48, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

The main content is now being hosted by Amazon, so the site should be faster and more reliable. -- Lifetree (talk) 14:48, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

350,000th article [edit]

Ladies and gentlemen, our project have reached 350,000 content articles (which include taxon authorities but exclude categories, images, userpages and other discussion-related pages). The 350,000th article was Tetramorium alpestre, created by User:Stho002. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 02:14, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Still only about 5% overall coverage at the species level on Wikispecies, so plenty of work left for everybody to do .. Stho002 (talk) 02:24, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

It took us 451 days to get from 300,000 to 350,000 articles. That's way too slow. At the current rate, we will never finish because the describing front will outpace us. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 03:26, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

yes, at the current pace, the task is getting bigger, not smaller! Stho002 (talk) 04:23, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

We should also take into consideration the question of what exactly is "a species coverage"? Is it enough to include the species name and authority? Should the original reference be mandatory; should a proper link and doi to the publication also be included? And what about the type material? I bet the majority of the species are containing only the bare-bones. This hardly has a useful value for anyone. For me, the quality i.e. the content is much more important than the quantity. Mariusm (talk) 05:26, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree in part, but the flipside of that coin is "why waste time on minor details when we don't even have any page at all for so many species?" ...Stho002 (talk)

Because less pages which have accurate and complete data are better than more pages with wrong or incomplete data. A single genus with all its species listed properly is better scientifically then 100 genera with half the data missing or plainly not true and not up-to-date! WS is not intended to be a show-off of species-numbers, but needs to make itself useful and informative. Mariusm (talk) 05:50, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, but there is a balance to be had. My opinion is that name, author/date, original reference citation with link, and any really important recent references (with links) is sufficient for any species page, and anything more is pointless (except in the context of a special project) ... Stho002 (talk) 20:29, 15 January 2013 (UTC) PS: Copying stuff over from open access references is a particular waste of time ... Stho002 (talk) 20:32, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

To be a useful source of information, WS needs to provide something extra in addition to the name/author. So many other sites provide the name/author stuff more comprehensively and accurately, that to engage merely in that bare minimum, is the real waste of time. You should ask yourself, why a researcher or information-seeker would bother to look at WS, and how can we attract this potential person to consult it and contribute to it more often. Lots of pages with no-one looking at them ... well, what's the use ... Mariusm (talk) 06:00, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Excuse me, but didn't I just allude to the fact that THE REFERENCES are the most important thing?? Stho002 (talk) 06:05, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

OK, but 80% of the pages either don't carry them at all or have them ambiguously. And Stho002, one more thing, please allow us a little breathing space, and don't enforce your dictatorship manner on anything you don't like. It is reaching a level where I feel you nominated yourself as the supreme chief of WS, and wouldn't tolerate anything which is contrary to your whims. Mariusm (talk) 08:17, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

The mistake you are making is to consider them "whims" ... they are carefully thought out views, based on having made nearly 400,000 edits on this project ... Stho002 (talk) 02:57, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Returning to the "slowness" issue that this discussion began with: I wonder how much faster expansion of this wiki would be if there weren't such a toxic atmosphere created by users who can't seem to "work well with others"? Ah, well... perhaps we'll never know. - dcljr (talk) 07:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Sister links [edit]

It looks as if you don't have much infrastructure for links to sister projects; is that right? I see a template for linking to wikisource, and one for wiktionary, but that's basically it. (I've just modified an existing, but nearly unused, template {{wikinews}} to use the same style as {{wikisource}} and {{wiktionary}}.) --Pi zero (talk) 15:52, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Other than links to Wikipedia (through the interwiki links) and Commons (through template), I don't really see much need to connect to other sister projects. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 03:46, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Not sure if that's a comment on opportunities for relevant links from here, or on the importance of providing such links when opportunity arises.

Off hand, I'd guess in addition to the sisters I've already mentioned above, there'd be occasional opportunities for relevant links from here to Wikibooks and, conceivably, Wikiversity.

As for importance, none of the sisters can stand alone (despite a few Wikipedians' misapprehensions on that point). The entire sisterhood is stronger when the sisters support each other. At Wikinews, we're fairly aggressive about providing relevant (obviously) sister links, and we position them fairly prominently. --Pi zero (talk) 06:27, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedian in Residence: Natural History Museum, London [edit]

Hi all,

The Natural History Museum in London is advertising for a Wikipedian in Residence, working jointly there and at the Science Museum next door; it's a paid post for four months, and applications are open until 10th February. I've worked with Ed Baker at the NHM to define the scope of the program, and it looks really promising - there's some real opportunities for interesting projects here. Details are available on the National Museums site, and there's some details about other upcoming UK residency programs here.

Please pass this on to anyone who might be interested, and feel free to get in touch with me if you've any questions (email or my enwiki talk page is probably quickest). Thanks, Andrew Gray (talk) 11:50, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Is this only for UK citizens ? That does not seem to be specified anywhere. Shyamal (talk) 09:42, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

By UK law, it would have to be open to any European Union citizen. But presumably London residency is required. - MPF (talk) 01:35, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Apologies for not replying sooner! A UK work visa is required, but as MPF says that more or less means any European citizen (technically, citizens of all EU states bar Romania or Bulgaria at the moment). When I was talking to the NHM last month I brought up this point to make sure they were aware of it; we have a lot of non-UK Wikimedians who may be interested in it, and it'd be great if some of them have applied! Andrew Gray (talk) 23:24, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Erroneous Links [edit]

In putting together the latest version of my illustrated tree, I came across a bunch more erroneous links on Wikispecies. Mostly these are links accidentally going from an animal taxon to a plant taxon or vice versa. Since I won't have time to be working on this for a while, I've posted the list of problem links here, in case someone wants to go through and fix them. -- Lifetree (talk) 23:50, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Nieuwe bestuursleden gezocht - Algemene Ledenvergadering 23 maart 2013 Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland [edit]

Block request for CorazonTh [edit]

CorazonTh (talk · contribs)

Please consider blocking this pattern spambot. See m:User:Mathonius/Reports/Ntsamr for more information. Thanks, Mathonius (talk) 16:29, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for flagging this user to our attention. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 23:37, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Grant for consolidate wikiArS to involve Art Schools [edit]

Hi, this message is to communicate that I have submitted an Individual Engagement Grant (personal grants for projects that benefit the Wikimedia movement) to the Wikimedia Foundation that would allow me push the initiative wikiArS in the coming months, between spring and autumn.

Since last academic year (see Llotja and Serra i Abella) we are collaborating with Schools of Art and Design to generate missing images for Wikipedia (and publish it to Commmons) or outreach materials (and publish it to Outreach wiki). This year there are already seven schools contacted, 4 of which have already begun to work. With this Grant I could increase my time commitment to coordination and support to volunteers, consolidating the project. The idea is also to produce a travelling exhibition and supporting materials.

How can wikiArS help Wikispecies? Producing scientifically supervised images about species, especially the extinct ones. We've started with Llotja students drawing mammal pictures. In one or two months we could start to publish them.

You can read the IEG proposal here:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Consolidate_wikiArS_to_involve_art_schools

Any comments or suggestions are welcome in this Village Pump or on the discussion page of the proposal. In addition, to the IEG succeed it needs the support of the community, so I ask you, if you find it interesting, to give your support in the Endorsements section.

Greetings. --Dvdgmz (talk) 13:07, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Spambots [edit]

Please consider blocking these spambots and deleting their spam. Thanks, Mathonius (talk) 00:23, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Deletions done. I won't bother blocking them unless it happens again ... Stho002 (talk) 00:33, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

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ShannonBu (talk · contribs)

Thanks for the deletions. I noticed two more spambots. It's a crosswiki problem, so I've already locked them and globally blocked the underlying IP's. Mathonius (talk) 18:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Done OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 23:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

About Kassina maculosa/decorata [edit]

Hello, I have a doubt about some synonymy, on Wikipedia's article en:Kassina maculosa, they say one of its synonyms is Kassina decorata (Angel, 1940), but that synonym is not here on Kassina maculosa. Maybe you can please check it (I have not idea about species), and maybe this category of Commons can be useful to illustrate your article on Wikispecies. Thanks. --UAwiki (talk) 16:25, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Using wikispecies as the source for Taxonavigation information in Commons [edit]

Hi,

There are a number of species-level pages on WikiSpecies which have images from Commons, but where the appropriate image category (and/or gallery) on commons is lacking a Taxonavigation template. Also, the classification used on Wikispecies could start diverging from that in the relevant Taxonavigation template.

Might it be an idea to insert appropriate metadata into templates such as {{Carabidae}}, to flag them up as for use in the Taxonavigation template. Then it should be (relatively) easy to automatically construct correct Taxonavigation templates for Commons categories using the classification in WikiSpecies. You could also use this to check on the accuracy of existing Taxonavigation instances.

Or is this all going to be replaced by WikiData?

HYanWong (talk) 16:26, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion request [edit]

Can an admin delete Cecropis daurica (a duplicate) please, so I can move Hirundo daurica to the vacated name so as to preserve the latter's page history. Thanks! - MPF (talk) 12:09, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Done OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 01:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! - MPF (talk) 09:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Jaarplan en begroting 2014 Wikimedia Nederland [edit]

Dit Nederlandstalige bericht is geplaatst in De Kroeg of soortgelijke pagina op de projecten Wikipedia, WikiWoordenboek, Wikibooks, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikispecies, Wikiversity, Wikivoyage, Wikinews, Commons, Wikidata, Outreach in de bestaande taalversies Nederlands, Fries, Limburgs, Nedersaksisch en Zeeuws van deze projecten.
Dit bericht is in de eerste plaats bedoeld voor mensen die in Nederland wonen.
Voel je vrij om dit Nederlandstalige bericht te vertalen in het Fries, Limburgs, Nedersaksisch of Zeeuws.
De Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland ondersteunt onder andere het werk van de vrijwilligers die op Wikipedia of een van de zusterprojecten daarvan actief zijn.
Heb jij ideeën over wat Wikimedia Nederland wel of niet zou moeten doen? Wil jij invloed uitoefenen op wat Wikimedia Nederland wel of niet doet en waar Wikimedia Nederland geld aan uit geeft?
Een half jaar geleden is het jaarplan en de begroting van Wikimedia Nederland (WMNL) voor het jaar 2013 vastgesteld door de Algemene Ledenvergadering (ALV). Op basis daarvan is een subsidie aangevraagd bij de Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) van de Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) middels een proposal form. De board van de WMF heeft de aanvraag gedeeltelijk toegekend in overeenstemming met de aanbeveling van de FDC.
Over een half jaar, dat is voor 1 oktober 2013, dient WMNL een proposal form bij de FDC in te dienen voor het jaar 2014. Net als vorig jaar wil WMNL dat doen op basis van een door de leden tijdens een ALV vastgesteld jaarplan en begroting. Tijdens de ALV van 23 maart 2013 is de volgende motie vastgesteld: "Het begrotingsproces dient zoveel mogelijk open en transparant te verlopen. Leden worden, zowel aan aan het begin van als gedurende het proces om tot een ontwerpbegroting te komen, om hun input gevraagd en actief betrokken," zie daarvoor ook de concept-notulen van de ALV 23 maart 2013. Op WikiZaterdag 4 mei 2013 presenteren de onderzoekers van Motivaction de resultaten van een survey gehouden onder gebruikers van Wikipedia. Dat onderzoek en de discussie daarover zal mede input zijn voor jaarplan 2014. Kom ook, en discussieer mee!
De pagina jaarplan 2014 op de wiki van de vereniging staat open voor ieders bijdragen met ideeën over wat WMNL wel of niet zou moeten doen in het jaar 2014. Wat wil jij bijdragen aan het bereiken van de missie van de Wikimedia beweging? Hoe kan de Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland jou daar bij ondersteunen? Laat daar van je horen. Ad Huikeshoven (talk) 10:12, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Pages that link to "Dunn" [edit]

There is a mistake with taxonomy authority in Wikispecies and Wikipedia alike, where Dunn automatically redirects to Stephen Troyte Dunn, British botanist who worked extensively in China.

Somehow, Dunn is also a name used in herpetology for Emmett Reid Dunn, a U. S. herpetologist who was largely active at the same time with S. T. Dunn (especially 1910s and 1920s). See Cryptobranchoidea, Salamandroidea, Rhyacotriton, Xenodontinae etc. As a result these all link to botanist Dunn.

While I had originally believed I could correct this inconsistency myself, there are problems I found while checking relevant taxonomy web sites. Unlike in botany, there are a number of Dunns who may be responsible for animal taxa. I have to ask for help as I only got interested in taxonomy by accident while writing some biographies on Wikipedia. TIA Tar-ba-gan (talk) 08:03, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello: At present, there are two taxon authors "Dunn" listed in WIKISPECIES. I changed the Redirect page "Dunn" into a Disambiguation page "Dunn" which allows the differentiation. Kempf EK (talk) 18:23, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

- Thank you Kempf EK. I am wondering though what I shall do about Wikipedia in that respect. Also, aren't authors of zoological taxa supposed to have initials, as E. R. Dunn? Tar-ba-gan (talk) 05:55, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
  - No, authors in zoology, unlike in botany, are not cited with initials when citing their taxa... Stho002 (talk) 07:11, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
    - I am far from being a specialist in that but Wikipedia states the opposite. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Code_of_Zoological_Nomenclature and other pages. Tar-ba-gan (talk) 16:18, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Initials are necessary when there are two different authors sharing the same family name, e.g. A. E. Brehm (author of e.g. Galerida theklae) and C. L. Brehm (author of e.g. Emberiza cineracea). Of Dunns, there is also the ornithologist Dunn after whom Dunn's Lark Eremalauda dunni is named, though I don't know if that Dunn is also a naming author - MPF (talk) 09:56, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

As far as Ostracoda are concerned, there are several cases as well. For instance:
Cypris O. F. Müller, 1776
Eucytherura G. W. Müller, 1894
Elpidium Fritz Müller, 1880
--- Kempf EK (talk) 12:54, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Move request [edit]

Two moves that need an admin, please (edited redirects in the way):

Onychoprion fuscata to Onychoprion fuscatus
Onychoprion lunata to Onychoprion lunatus

Thanks! - MPF (talk) 14:29, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Done! Mariusm (talk) 05:00, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Something's gone wrong, though - both pages redirect to each other now! MPF (talk) 08:16, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

I've done a temporary fix by copy-and-paste, but the page histories are at the redirects instead of where they should be - MPF (talk) 08:22, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

IP block exemptions flag request [edit]

Please, give me IP block exemptions flag because I run Tor node. I already have this flag in ruWikipedia and ruWikiquote. Caesarion (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Done OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 04:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Interwiki linking [edit]

I've noticed there are a lot of species type articles on en.wikipedia, and I'm wondering what the interwiki link is so that I can start adding links back to here and try and sync some of these articles up to improve the quality of the articles on both sites. Thanks, Technical 13 (talk) 00:52, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

On WP, just put {{wikispecies}} to link back here. Here, we put [[en:{{BASEPAGENAME}}]] to link to WP ... Stho002 (talk) 02:33, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Link to this page [edit]

Could someone add a link to this page in the main directory, between 'Main page' and 'Community portal', please? It's a bit silly that the main discussion area for the project is only accessible indirectly. Thanks! - MPF (talk) 11:42, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I think that involves editing MediaWiki namespace. Do you know which MediaWiki page is it? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 19:15, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, not got the faintest idea! That's why I came here to ask ;-) MPF (talk) 22:13, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Template request [edit]

Could someone make a reference template for the Euro+Med PlantBase, please? Something similar to Template:GRIN. It should be possible to link to individual taxa pages using the NameId= and PTRefFk= (both essential!) in the URL (e.g. http://ww2.bgbm.org/EuroPlusMed/PTaxonDetail.asp?NameId=19575&PTRefFk=7100000 for Arbutus andrachne). Thanks! - MPF (talk) 11:42, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Protection request [edit]

Please semi-protect Hoamseitn (incl. templates), the main page in bavarian language!

And maybe you could adjust the links to Hoamseitn in the protected pages, because I moved the page from Hauptseiten to Hoamseitn.

Thanks! --Bua333 (talk) 06:19, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Werksfeer en onderlinge communicatie zijn voor verbetering vatbaar [edit]

Dit Nederlandstalige bericht is geplaatst in De Kroeg of soortgelijke pagina op de projecten Wikipedia, WikiWoordenboek, Wikibooks, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikispecies, Wikiversity, Wikivoyage, Wikinews, Commons, Wikidata, Outreach in de bestaande taalversies Nederlands, Fries, Limburgs, Nedersaksisch en Zeeuws van deze projecten. Voel je vrij om dit Nederlandstalige bericht te vertalen in het Fries, Limburgs, Nedersaksisch of Zeeuws.
De Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland ondersteunt onder andere het werk van de vrijwilligers die op Wikipedia of een van de zusterprojecten daarvan actief zijn.
Onder de bewerkers van Wikipedia is aan het begin van dit jaar een enquête gehouden met uitndogingen via de banner op deze site. Het onderzoeksbureau concludeerde onder andere "Werksfeer en onderlinge communicatie zijn voor verbetering vatbaar." Wat kunnen we daar gezamenlijk aan doen? Het onderzoeksbureau deed enkele suggesties met de volgende aanbevelingen: "Het ondersteunen van huidige vrijwilligers en het mobiliseren van nieuwe vrijwilligers ziet de achterban als de belangrijkste taken van WMNL. Behoud is dus net zo belangrijk als werven. Met name wat betreft het behouden van vrijwilligers zijn verbeteringen te behalen door de vereniging, want ruim een kwart is ontevreden over de werksfeer binnen Wikipedia en ook ontevreden over de onderlinge communicatie tussen de bewerkers. Sommige pleiten voor meer toezicht vanuit WMNL, door bijvoorbeeld alleen geregistreerde personen te laten bijdragen. Ook zouden wellicht richtlijnen voor bijdragers kunnen helpen bij het verbeteren van de collegialiteit." Op WikiZaterdag 4 mei 2013 hebben de onderzoekers de resultaten van het onderzoek gepresenteerd. Graag ga ik over voorgaande het gesprek aan, bijvoorbeeld tijdens Wikipedia-café. De vereniging is in de gelukkige omstandigheid te beschikken over een budget van enkele honderdduizenden euro en heeft een kantoor in Utrecht waar inmiddels vijf enthousiaste mensen werken, mede om jullie bewerkers van Wikipedia te ondersteunen. Op WikiZaterdag 15 juni 2013 is er een brainstorm met bestuur, leden en vrijwilligers over voortgang strategie, voortgang jaarplan, ideeën leden en vrijwilligers voor activiteiten jaarplan 2014 en begroting 2014. Het bestuur van WMNL wil graag dat van onderop mede richting gegeven wordt aan de activiteiten van WMNL. Laat van je horen! Ad Huikeshoven (talk) 11:26, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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