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Consolida regalis bacomes Delphinium consolida[edit]

Hello, It seems that the genus Consolida is now included into Delphinium. Please, have a look on this paper : Jabbour F. , Renner S., 2011. Consolida and Aconitella are an annual clade of Delphinium (Ranunculaceae) that diversified in the Mediterranean basin and the Irano-Turanian region. Taxon 60 (4): 1029–1040. Gtaf (talk) 21:12, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Not yet. Note the comment in the abstract (my emphasis): "To achieve a classification of mutually monophyletic genera in Delphinieae may require transferring the species of Aconitella and Consolida into Delphinium". The new combinations needed are yet to be formally made. So one to put on hold for wikispecies. - MPF (talk) 00:42, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Hibiscus hispidissimus[edit]

See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants#File:Hibiscus_hispidissimus_at_Kadavoor.jpg. Jkadavoor (talk) 09:40, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Removed the redirect by Shyamal now. Thanks. Jkadavoor (talk) 09:42, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirect of Merremia vitifolia also seems wrong. Jkadavoor (talk) 09:44, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

The Plant List[edit]

This resource, which is used by many contributors has recently been updated to version 1.1. Is it possible for an admin to write a bot that can automatically update pages that already cite it? For example, using Berberidaceae, the old URL link is Berberidaceae and the new would simply be Berberidaceae. Mind you the reference ought to be a simple template - The Plant List (2010) Version 1.1 Berberidaceae. Published on the Internet. Accessed 9 Sept 2013. is a bit chunky! Thanks Andyboorman (talk) 19:36, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Feel free to use the TPLF template it gives a full citation do not forget to use the date and add the plant name at the end for more complex pages, e.g. Camellia page. Andyboorman (talk) 15:13, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


Does the template:nomen really work? If I expand the button, I only get to see a {{{1}}}. Example on Cottus schitsuumsh.--Haps (talk) 15:45, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

I am astonished that there is now a Category:New species 2014 established by Stho002. When in 2012 I established a Category:New species-group name 2012 it was immediately eliminated with its contents by Stho002. Kempf EK (talk) 18:33, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
I only see you creating 5 categories in 2012. There're more categories like Category:New taxa for Ostracoda in 2012 that are created by you but they are from 2013. From what I can see, you only have 6 deleted contributions. They are all article pages and created in 2011. Am I missing something here? OhanaUnitedTalk page 06:34, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

new to wikispecies[edit]

Hi I am a biologist turned teacher who has wandered into the world of wiki editing. I have taxonomy in my blood and a little red-legged spider named after me (Neoramia margaretae) so would like to join here and maybe even be allowed to edit... I really like the layout but think a 1 para description of each major group would be really helpful... very concise and accurate information about the defining features of that group of organisms. I know i have to serve an apprenticeship first but that is ok by me... if someone could just write back about the process please :) I would be most grateful. Reefswaggie (talk) 11:40, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Margaret and welcome. The first thing is to read the page called Templates which gives you an idea about how editing can be made effective and approximately standard. Then look at existing pages that are in your area of principal taxonomic concern and see how they have developed and been laid out. A lot of the wiki-formatting is obscure until you click on the 'edit' button at the top of the page and then you can inspect the raw code to see where italicisation or boldening or Small Capitals for authors have been used. I've put ''[[]]'' around your patronym above to italicise it and make it a hyperlink see if there as already a page for it on the system (there is). If the name had been in red, then it would still await creation. As well a pages for taxa, we also have pages for authors and Templates for references, so that they can be universally updated from a single point. Once you have done a little background reading, then I suggest you just test out a few things in an area of taxonomic interest (mine is primarily Oriental Lycaenidae). Lastly, always click on the [Show Preview] button before the [Save Page] button - a bit like checking your shoes are laced up before leaving the house. As a pastime, it can become quite addictive, as there is always more work to do and like all taxonomy it will never be finished. Contributing works for me though, as it acts as a repository of things I think I have understood and that are hard to remember. I hope you grow to like it too. Alan Accassidy (talk) 21:35, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
I forgot about your other question. The main point of Species Wiki is that it is primarily independent of language and opinion. So adding even "concise and accurate" information is not really the point. However, each taxonomic page is backed by a discussion page, and this might well be a good place to put description or indeed any other language based material that may be of help to others. Alan Accassidy (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
It would seem possible to integrate Wikidata with Commons and Wikipedia, for Wikidata to contain the taxonomic information... maybe? Gryllida (talk) 02:00, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Welcome! At this project and its sisters, anyone can edit. It's the core philosophy of the projects. Gryllida (talk) 20:44, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

mw:Requests for comment/UploadWizard: scale to sister projects[edit]

Hi all.

I had observed apparent need of items wizards - upload wizards, article wizards - in interactivity everyone can edit. Gadgets seem too unsafe, were everybody given access to edit ones which are on by default; however ones only available for you, like a user script, are useless for a non-tech-savvy newcomer.

I have opened a request for comment for the Wmf engineering people to put some of their work on Common's upload wizard into extracting the useful bits and perhaps isolating them in something sister projects can safely reuse and edit.

Yes or no? How? Thoughts? Feedback? Please participate in the discussion and help me spread it to other sister projects.

Gryllida (talk) 11:54, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

New Zealand categories (continued)[edit]

Reopening this, as it was archived before any conclusion was reached, due to a regrettable descent into personal animosities. At the end of that discussion, Stho002's comment was (my emphasis):

Managing my work in progress is not the issue here. What I want to be able to do is to browse Wikispecies for a particular country rather than just globally, and N.Z. is my first priority country. I would be very happy to see others do the same for other countries. References for a species in a particular country are not important enough to put on the global taxon pages, but obviously are important on the country pages, which link back to the global pages if you want info. on nomenclature or global distribution. Stho002 (talk) 23:19, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Recently, while doing other work on Equisetum, I took out the erroneous New Zealand category (the taxon is noted for its destribution "Cosmopolitan except for Australia and New Zealand": [1]); Stho002 added it again, despite the genus' absence from the New Zealand native flora. As a trial experiment, I tried Stho's suggestion welcoming the addition of categories for other countries; the result (here; scroll to end of page) was not a success in terms of Wikispecies formatting, so I undid the trial. But it leads me to conclude that distributional categories, particularly using nations, are not an appropriate format to use in Wikispecies. First, the data is cumbersome, particularly for widely-distributed taxa; second, nations (human political entities) are not appropriate for dealing with taxon distributions, given the huge disparities in unit size (nearly 40 million-fold, from the Vatican City's 44 hectares up to 17,098,242 km2 for Russia) and their lack of coincidence with biological regions; and third, because incomplete categorisation is misleading to users, but (if they were to be used) would require a vast additional editorial input to reach any form of completion — input which we don't have, and could better spend on adding taxa with no wikispecies pages. I therefore propose a formal vote on the subject; everyone please add your votes / opinions. Thanks! - MPF (talk) 17:53, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

The addition of categories also works in Equisetum, but in a different way. It should not be done under the genus name, but on the different species pages where you need information on the type locality. Have a look at Equisetum bogotense.

Kempf EK (talk) 02:10, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

There is no need to change it. It is perfectly fine as I have been doing it. I would put [[Category:Equisetum bogotense (Colombia)]] on the Equisetum bogotense page, and then [[Category:Equisetum (Colombia)]] on the [[Category:Equisetum bogotense (Colombia)]] page. Any references relating specifically to the species in Colombia would then be listed on the [[Category:Equisetum bogotense (Colombia)]] page rather than on the Equisetum bogotense page, which is reserved for global context references (including nomenclature and descriptions of the species, so there may be a little bit of relevance overlap). One would have to be an idiot to assume that [[Category:Equisetum bogotense (Colombia)]] somehow implies that the species is endemic to Colombia (though it might be). Stho002 (talk) 02:22, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Distributional categories should not be admitted in Wikispecies
  1. MPF (talk) 17:53, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Distributional categories should be permitted in Wikispecies

1. The Wikispecies database is a very powerful system which has the potential to support researchers in their work, provided that Wikispecies pages are based on those publications with the original description. The Wikispecies system, I think, is too powerful than to end up just with a list of species, like some other online databases that are of no use to scientists.

Categories within Wikispecies can be a very helpful tool for arranging species in different groups. The need or the advantage of categories may be different in the many organism groups of Wikispecies. I am mainly contributing to the field of Ostracoda which are Crustacea living world-wide in freshwater of any kind, but also in the marine realm from the intertidal zone down to abyssal depths. In addition, they have an extremely long fossil record of about 500 million years.

I established quite a number of categories. For living freshwater ostracods I established categories for the ecozones, from where the species originally had been described, for instance: Palaearctic Ostracoda, Neotropic Ostracoda, Australasian Ostracoda. For living marine ostracods I established categories like: North Atlantic Ocean Ostracoda, Indian Ocean Ostracoda, South Pacific Ostracoda. For fossil Ostracoda there are categories like: Cenozoic Ostracoda, Mesozoic Ostracoda, Palaeozoic Ostracoda and their subdivisions.

I see some problems with categories for single countries. In those cases it should be made clear that it is not a matter of endemic species, but just a listing of species that have ever been found in that country, native or as an exotic element.

Kempf EK (talk) 18:24, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

2. I am with Kempf. Wikispecies is becoming a powerful tool for scientists and the more links with other sources the better. I have not created categories, but can see their uses. Of course we need to make sure the genera and species get added, but a minimal list adds nothing new. Andyboorman (talk) 20:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

3. As for MPF's comment "and could better spend on adding taxa with no wikispecies pages", I draw your attention to Category:New_species_2014, where I have created articles for well over 1000 new species described so far in 2014, and MPF has contributed nothing, so I don't think he is in any position to pontificate about where "input" is better spent! Stho002 (talk) 20:23, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Inconsistency between Cathartes page and Cathartes aura page?[edit]

I'm not an expert on taxonomies, but I use wikispecies regularly to help me add keywords to my wildlife photographs (thanks for an incredibly useful web site), and I noticed that there appears to be an inconsistency between Cathartes and Cathartes aura. While the former page includes "C. aura" in the list of species and links to the latter page, the former page says Cathartes is classified under Ciconiiformes/Ciconiidae/Cathartinae, the latter page says Cathartes is classified under Accipitriformes/Cathartidae. I assume one of the pages must be in error, but I'm not sure which one. FWIW, one of my other references is the University of Michigan's "Animal Diversity Web", and [2] shows something different than either those pages, namely that Cathartes is classified under Falconiformes/Cathartidae.

Sorted; Accipitriformes/Cathartidae is correct (ref). The genus page had a hangover from an outdated classification that held temporary sway in the late 1990s. Thanks for spotting it! - MPF (talk) 09:58, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Visible links from Wikispecies pages to Wikipedia pages - wanted or not wanted?[edit]

When contributing to the Wikispecies page Equisetum bogotense I found two invisible or spurious links to Wikipedia pages:

en:Equisetum bogotense
es:Equisetum bogotense

I corrected those links as mentioned above (Note: If you insert links to Wikipedia pages in your comments, don't forget the leading colon (:) before the wiki language code) so that they became visible and clickable on the Wikispecies page:

en:Equisetum bogotense
es:Equisetum bogotense

However, Stho002 immediately changed those links back to

en:Equisetum bogotense
es:Equisetum bogotense

so that they became invisible or spurious again.

Are links from Wikispecies to Wikipedia not wanted?

Kempf EK (talk) 13:32, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

The format [[en:Equisetum bogotense]] is actually correct, that's the standard interwiki format; look at the bottom of the left-hand column and you'll see "In other languages", and below that, links to en and es wikis on the Equisetum bogotense page. Obviously, for better-known species (e.g. Panthera leo), the interwiki list is far longer. - MPF (talk) 17:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Added a couple more interwikis, for Arabic and Runa Simi - MPF (talk) 17:42, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry! But thanks for the information. I had been concentrating on the Wikispecies page and neglected the sidebar.

Kempf EK (talk) 00:01, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

revert the edit[edit]

some body please revert the edit i have made just now. I was not comfortable with this interface.--ଶିତିକଣ୍ଠ ଦାଶ (talk) 01:39, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Stho002 (talk) 04:35, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
thanks. --ଶିତିକଣ୍ଠ ଦାଶ (talk) 17:48, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


Is there any plans to implement wikidata for the language links? Dan Koehl (talk) 10:13, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

It is on the development plan, but no exact dates yet.--Micru (talk) 19:20, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Bureaucratship nomination[edit]

I would like to draw all of your attention that there is a current bureaucratship nomination. It is scheduled to end in about 4 days. Please participate in the process. OhanaUnitedTalk page 05:46, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

IMPORTANT: Admin activity review[edit]

Hello. A new policy regarding the removal of "advanced rights" (administrator, bureaucrat, etc) was recently adopted by global community consensus (your community received a notice about the discussion). According to this policy, the stewards are reviewing administrators' activity on smaller wikis. To the best of our knowledge, your wiki does not have a formal process for removing "advanced rights" from inactive accounts. This means that the stewards will take care of this according to the new admin activity review here.

We have determined that the following users meet the inactivity criteria (no edits and no log actions for more than 2 years):

  1. Benedikt (administrator)
  2. Brion VIBBER (administrator, bureaucrat)
  3. Kempm (administrator, bureaucrat)
  4. Lightdarkness (administrator, bureaucrat)
  5. MaximBot (administrator)
  6. MonoBot (administrator)
  7. Monobi (administrator, bureaucrat)
  8. Mário e Dário (administrator, bureaucrat)
  9. Totipotent (administrator)
  10. UtherSRG (administrator, bureaucrat)

These users will receive a notification soon, asking them to start a community discussion if they want to retain some or all of their rights. If the users do not respond, then their advanced rights will be removed by the stewards.

However, if you as a community would like to create your own activity review process superseding the global one, want to make another decision about these inactive rights holders, or already have a policy that we missed, then please notify the stewards on Meta-Wiki so that we know not to proceed with the rights review on your wiki. Thanks, Rschen7754 23:55, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Three comments. First, I think Benedikt should be kept with his admin status (and perhaps assign him the "founder" flag that English Wikipedia use for Jimbo Wales). Benedikt was the founder of this project so out of courtesy his rights should be kept. Second, Brion VIBBER is a unique case because he's the most prominent MediaWiki developer that wrote most of this wiki interface. I don't oppose him keeping his rights if he wish to. As for the 2 bots (MaximBot and MonoBot), just take away their rights since they are inactive anyways. OhanaUnitedTalk page 06:42, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
I agree with you, just a note reg Brion VIBBER, as a developer he can make himself admin, bureaucrat, etc whenever he wants or need to. Dan Koehl (talk) 07:26, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Agree with OhanaUnited. Accassidy (talk) 10:15, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
We cannot grant anyone the founder flag like it is on en.wikipedia, because that allows them to change all userrights on this wiki. That would include CheckUser and oversight, which would be a violation of global policies. Brion VIBBER is a System administrator, so removing flags would not have an effect on his capabilities. --Rschen7754 22:42, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your clarification. In this case, I suggest making a single exception to Benedikt while removing the rights of others. OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:23, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Now that one issue is solved, I want to bring up another one. What should we do when they return in the future and request for them back? In my opinion, I would just give it back to them since going through another round of vote is just unnecessary bureaucracy. OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:24, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

That might not always be a good idea. Remember Lycaon? I think a quick vote to reinstate them could be a good idea! Stho002 (talk) 02:45, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
They left due to inactivity (2 years), quite different from leaving due to controversy (or being a drama magnet). Waiting for a vote that lasts 7 days when the outcome was clear from the beginning makes it a rather redundant and somewhat time-wasting process. OhanaUnitedTalk page 05:55, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Firstly: hello, I am back ;) and thanks to Dan to notify me of this discussion. Secondly, it is very flattering to consider me "founder" of WikiSpecies, but I feel it is too munch honour - I had the idea of creating a wiki-based, GFDLed species directory and mobilised a few people, and wrote some of the first articles with my user name as well as through an alias, but I am a mere initiator and many other people have done more than me for WikiSpecies than me in the almost 10 years since its creation. Thirdly, about my status - I keep checking Wikispecies for new entries about every three to four weeks and have done so ever since 2004, but due to largely work-related committments, I am not actively editing. Now there would be an easy way to avoid the loss of my status by simply making some edits here and there once in a while (I will do so now), but essentially I will not be able to become as active as I may have been back in 2004/5 and whatever the community decides on my status, I would ask you to take all of these points into consideration. Fourthly, regarding Brion Vibber, I second OhanaUnited; fifthly, UtherSRG was one of the key people at the time of starting WikiSpecies and I would suggest to try contacting him. Finally, I will keep coming to WikiSpecies and am looking foward to celebrating its 10th anniversary this summer. --Benedikt (talk) 07:46, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Hallooo! I ditto a bunch of what Benedikt said. I've been busy with other things as of late, but I do get some questions on Wikipedia bout WikiSpecies from time to time, since my user page here points to my page over there. But wow! 10 years! Where has the time gone?? - user:UtherSRG (talk) 12:54, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Welcome back. Seems like this policy discussion draws the return of 2 experienced admins (and crossing off 2 names from the list above). I checked all remaining names on that list and they all appear to be inactive in other projects. OhanaUnitedTalk page 22:53, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Howdy Everybody! Unfortunately, I neglected this project after having children and being hired as a medical entomologist. If supported, I will return to contribute. I understand the desire to have admins for different languages. I would also submit that it is also important to have admins for different taxonomic groups. Stho002 seems to be the only admin active on the Araneomorphae and Culicomorpha. These are the groups I aim to contribute to. This way Stho002 can focus on other arthropod groups. Totipotent (talk) 08:30, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

10th anniversary[edit]

Benedikt mentioned above the 10th anniversary, which I believe is in September 2014. It sure is something so celebrate, since there was initially some scepticism within the wikimedia society against the project.

Would it make sense to make up some strategy plans for this celebration? Im refering to some sort of marketing campaign, which would make Wikispecies more known, and may attract more persons with interest and competence, who will contribute, and develop the project further? Dan Koehl (talk) 12:05, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Definitely. Its birthday is September 14. OhanaUnitedTalk page 22:54, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
I recall correspondence with Jimbo Wales in early summer 2014; it was Angela Beesly and Brion Vibber who helped with setting it up. I suggest considering the date of the first page as the official birthday, as this can be easily determined. Although you could also take the date when I first registered, as I uploaded the first pages immediately thereafter even before the wiki was set up; or the date when the domain was transferred from me to the Wikimedia Foundation.--Benedikt (talk) 12:36, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Your first edit was on September 14, which presumably is how people determine the official start date. I don't know if other dates can be as easily determined as this. OhanaUnitedTalk page 21:47, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Edit request[edit]

Mediawiki:Wikimedia-copyright: Could a local sysop please update the license title to Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. It is currently like this: "Attribution/Share-Alike". See the official website here: . Also see m:MediaWiki talk:Wikimedia-copyright. Thanks, Glaisher (talk) 05:02, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Done. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 06:00, 17 April 2014 (UTC).

More admins?[edit]

In short time we now have three more admins, and are better prepared for the forthcoming removal of some of the inactive ones. I have no intention to make new suggestions, I guess its good it if other members come up with suggestions. Which need is there for more? I guess it doesnt hurt to a couple of more admins, who are presently active, but what I see as an urgent need are admins who speak other languages than english. What opinions do you other have? Dan Koehl (talk) 19:13, 21 April 2014 (UTC)


Is anyone doing Trematodes? I was at LSU Library today, which has very large zoology periodical section, including Soviet. I happened to trip over a large group of works on Trematoda, including about 20 volumes of Трематоды животных и человека (Trematodes of Animals and Humans), which does have taxonomic articles. Neferkheperre (talk) 23:20, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia vs. Wikispecies[edit]

Hi all, Over the years, I've added quite a few species pages to Wikipedia, but I'm new to Wikispecies. Can someone explain to me the difference between Wikispecies and Wikimedia? It seems like there's a lot of redundancy given that both efforts stem from the same foundation. Srloarie2 (talk) 27, May 2014 (UTC)

Well, Wikispecies has a much better data structure than WP for some kinds of information (better referencing, using templates, etc.) Both sites have their strengths and their weaknesses, but Wikispecies is on track to complete the global species catalogue long before Wikipedia ever will. Stho002 (talk) 22:00, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Move request[edit]

Pterocnemia pennata to Rhea pennata - taxonomic update (ref [scroll to near end of page]). Needs an admin as the destination page has a history that needs deleting first. Thanks! - MPF (talk) 11:43, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Still waiting for this to be done. Pretty shocking to have to wait over 4 months for a simple admin request to be done :-(( MPF (talk) 17:07, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
I will look into it, but your ref link is dead Stho002 (talk) 21:31, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
I see insufficient evidence to sink Pterocnemia as a synonym of Rhea at present Stho002 (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Here's the updated reference. The official ornithological authorities concerned (IOC and SACC) have merged the two genera, so it is incumbent on us to follow their lead, rather than make your own differing decision. - MPF (talk) 22:10, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Here is the actual discussion. Taxonomy doesn't work by democratic vote! We do not need to follow the outcome of that vote. Crucially, they only took into account extant species, and did not consider fossils. Stho002 (talk) 22:35, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
You personally might not want to follow the outcome of that vote, but I do, as do most other ornithologists elsewhere. If you have superior knowledge that contradicts their conclusions, I suggest you take it up with SACC and get them to reverse their decision. Wikispecies is not the place for original research. - MPF (talk) 22:54, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Choice of sources to follow is not OR! I have noted both options on the relevant taxon pages, and created redirects, so it is a "non-issue" Stho002 (talk) 23:19, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
"I have noted both options on the relevant taxon pages" No you have not, you have deleted all mention of the name Rhea pennata on the species page even as a synonym, and deleted the link from the genus page. Though it is nice to see that the reference you cited contradicts your opinion by accepting it as Rhea pennata. MPF (talk) 00:08, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Rhea pennata redirects to Pterocnemia pennata. It is not really a synonym, just an alternative combination, which is why it isn't listed under Synonyms Stho002 (talk) 00:17, 29 May 2014 (UTC) PS: The Delsuc ref. I cited is just evidence for the generic synonymy, but not conclusive evidence, as intergeneric hybrids are known Stho002 (talk) 00:19, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet At Wikimania 2014[edit]

As per this notice, I have submitted one to raise our project's awareness. If you have any suggested changes, please leave your comments here. OhanaUnitedTalk page 01:05, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

  • I would suggest to add in the "Short Description": It covers living and fossil representatives of Animalia, Plantae,... And in the "Longer description": to reflect the Recent and fossil diversity of life on our planet Earth. Kempf EK (talk) 01:47, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I would suggest that one of the main aims of Wikispecies is to create a browsable, taxonomically classified library of links to publications for all living and fossil species on Earth. Stho002 (talk) 02:04, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
    • Added both suggestions. Please double check (purge the page if necessary) to see the changes made. OhanaUnitedTalk page 04:48, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
    • OK. Many thanks. Kempf EK (talk) 01:09, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Here is the leaflet version (scroll down slightly to see it). Note: The leaflet is designed by someone else. OhanaUnitedTalk page 23:03, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

400,000 articles reached[edit]

Yes we crossed another milestone (but there is still a lot of work to do). The 400,000th article, according to Special:NewPages, is Junellia spathulata, written by User:Ironlion. OhanaUnitedTalk page 21:55, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Editing Fungi-->Basidiomycota-->Agaricomycetes-->Agaricomycetidae-->Agaricales-->Agaricaceae[edit]

While doing some research on Genera & Species within Agaricaceae (in both Wikipedia & Wikispecies) I came across a fair amount of information that I feel needs to be updated. Given that the majority of the "last edited" dates in Wikispecies are 2006, this is not surprising. Since I use these Wikis extensively, I am willing to do the editing and page creations/moves/deletions that are necessary. I did some playing in the sandbox earlier today, and have an Excel spreadsheet that shows the various changes I want to make. Most of my information came from Species Fungorum and I already have permission to use their data as long as it gets referenced (see sandbox).

Rlschultz (talk) 06:42, 21 June 2014 (UTC)Rlschultz

By sandbox you meant Wikispecies:Sandbox? I talked to a public health prof back in January and he also mentioned that the fungi taxonomy at Wikispecies was out of date. Otherwise, there could be student editors coming here and help create some pages. OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:12, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


Thrinax and related pages need some attention. In Animalia, the insect genus has priority, and is apparently a synonym of Strongylogaster. The shark genus is a junior homonym, and was replaced by Proteothrinax Pfeil, 2012. I've no idea how synonymy and homonymy should be addressed on a disambiguation page at Wikispecies, let alone how this project is currently formatting synonym sections (which presumably should be added to Strongylogaster and Proteothrinax). Plantdrew (talk) 20:21, 20 June 2014 (UTC) Yes check.svg Done See: Thrinax ... Stho002 (talk) 02:58, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Hungarian translation[edit]

Can anybody deal with Hungarian? I am having serious trouble dealing with this reference: Kolosvary, 1941. It took 3 days to find good idea on the periodical title - A. Tenger. I finally got a full title and translation from Google Books, but that is about all. Article title is completely opaque, as my translation engines won't deal with Hungarian well. user:Sphenodon helped once with another reference, but he does not have talk page enabled. I have almost no hope of ISSN or web link, but anything to make it look better will be appreciated. Neferkheperre (talk) 22:32, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I've found this one, but this is just a reference for the article: [3]. "Kolosváry, G. & Wagner, J. (1940): Tengerbiológiai tanulmány a kacslábúak, puhatestűek és korallok társulásáról. – A Tenger. p. 3–16. Budapest. – Dombóvár." I try to find something else too. --Sphenodon (talk) 23:18, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Huh, maybe there is problem: two article with the same title. Maybe there is a two-part article, maybe it is a misspelling.

  • KOLOSVÁRY, G. & WAGNER, J. (1940): Tengerbiológiai tanulmány a kacslábúak, puhatestűek és korallok társulásáról. – A Tenger. p. 3–16. Budapest. – Dombóvár.
  • KOLOSVÁRY, G. (1941): Tengerbiológiai tanulmány a kacslábúak, puhatestűek és korallok társulásáról. – Tenger, 31: 1–15. Budapest.

This periodical doesn't exist now, it was published between 1911 and 1944. The periodical name is "A Tenger", in English "The Sea". I'm searching, but there is a few of information. --Sphenodon (talk) 23:39, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Here, in the e-catalog of Hungarian National Library, you can see some of information about "A tenger", but there is no ISSN. --Sphenodon (talk) 23:53, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I got ahold of Hungarian National Library by email about ISSN number of „A tenger”. They informed me, that this peridoical hasn't had an ISSN number, so its citation doesn't need ISSN number. I need some time yet to control the article's bibliographical data in library, after this I could be able to correct them. --Sphenodon (talk) 09:24, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I was in library and I could see the article, so the correct form is:

  • KOLOSVÁRY, GÁBOR & WAGNER, JÁNOS (1941): Tengerbiológiai tanulmány a kacslábúak, puhatestűek és korallok társulásáról. – A Tenger: tudományos és tengerészeti ismeretterjesztő folyóirat, a Magyar Adria Egyesület közlönye., XXXI. évfolyam, I–III. szám, pp. 1–15. Budapest.

What shall we do?: the article was written by two, not just Kolosváry. I'm not at home in that, so I can correct only other parts of reference in Kolosvary, 1941. --Sphenodon (talk) 14:42, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

And I think, A Tenger hadn't been a monthly magazine in the 1940s, but maybe this remains in the template on the base of the e-catalog of Hungarian National Library. And I think, Magyar Adria Egyesület is better as Hungarian Adria Association in English (see this form in --Sphenodon (talk) 15:05, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Judging from the fact that nobody has replied, I think we don't have a Hungarian speaker here to understand and deal with the issue. OhanaUnitedTalk page 00:06, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Using {{Taxobox}}?[edit]

I came across User:Kheller and he seems to be converting all pages into using taxobox template (see [4] as example). So are switching formats now? OhanaUnitedTalk page 20:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

I am not using taxobox, but staying with the standard page format with headings etc. The end result seems to be very similar as far as how the page looks when viewed normally. The Taxobox underpinning only becomes apparent when you try to edit the page. With a little bit of thought it is possible to edit in either format. Perhaps someone might care to explain why they use taxobox and what its advantages ore thought to be. Accassidy (talk) 21:32, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
For the necessary growing of Wikispecies we need much more contributors which will only be attracted, if we keep the creating and editing of Wikispecies pages as simple as possible. Too many templates, however, are complicating the system and discouraging new contributors. Kempf EK (talk) 23:13, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
User:PeterR also raised this issue. I guess all of us here didn't really like the idea of using taxobox template. Should something be done? OhanaUnitedTalk page 05:20, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Probably nothing we can reasonably do in the short term, as who would want to spend time re-formatting pages when there is still so much original work to do. All we can do is encourage people to follow a more standard procedure, but I would rather we had the data in a non-standard format than not at all. Accassidy (talk) 07:27, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree that we should encourage users to utilise a straightforward approach to editing, without too many templates. That said, we might also want to point out that some templates are actually very much appreciated, such as taxon formatting templates (e.g. {{sp}}, {{ssp}} and their equivalent {{xlast}} templates). Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC).
Sorry, I was offline for a while and could not answer earlier. Some time ago I raised the topic [5] without any negative response and so I continued editing. I am glad, that after passing by species of different groups I have now alerted more contributors. The main advantage of using templates, as pointed out in my original post, is in my opinion, that it is easier to keep the appearance of the pages more consistent. Lepidoptera pages look slightly different than those for Coleoptera and for fishes. When I started on Wikispecies, even templates for references were still unwanted. This attitude has changed fortunately meanwhile and I am still optimisitc with my proposal. Of course further development and a better documentation are needed. But if it is consensus, that the taxobox concept is the wrong way, I will of course accept such a democratic decision. Kheller (talk) 15:54, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikispecies:Wantedpages -- where are New Guinea, Philippines, Java, and India?[edit]

This is a slightly edited version of a question I posted to Wikispecies bureaucrat OhanaUnited here.

"(I checked Wikispecies:Wantedpages and saw) some of the top entries are New Guinea, Philippines, Java, India, etc. My guess is those articles are not actually wanted here, but that they are listed automatically because Wikispecies articles link to them. So my question is, what would be wanted here? Those articles created, the links removed, the links changed to go to Wikipedia, or what? Thanks for your help.

OhanaUnited responded, "Good question. I honestly don't know what we should create for these geographical location entries." He suggested I post my question here. So what do people think about this? Alden Loveshade (talk) 03:34, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

  • Within Wikispecies either categories for the species of those countries or for the respective Ecozone should be created. Examples: Category:New Zealand Ostracoda, Category:Indomalayan Ostracoda, Category:Australasian Ostracoda Kempf EK (talk) 10:50, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I have checked for the Philippines and found that indications of type location included country links. I propose simply removing these links. Creating country articles is not the business of wikispecies. Creating some country categories in my opinion also does not make sense at the moment. A species with type location on e.g. Luzon (Philippines) might be wide-spread in tropical Asia or endemic on the island. Without additional investigation, choice of appropriate category/categories would not be possible. Moreover, as far as I know, a scheme of geographical categories does not exist until now. Has there been any discussion before on this topic? What about adding information on species distribution to the pages? I am thinking about something similar to Kew Checklist, e.g. [6], using the TDWG scheme - see [7]. However, maybe this already would be beyond the scope of wikispecies? Regards --Franz Xaver (talk) 12:26, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
You ought to look at the pages for Orchidaceae. Orchi has made a good job of adding location details. Andyboorman (talk) 13:02, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
OK, I was not aware of this. That's good work, but seems to be time consuming. Anyway, also there are no regional categories and that's good for me. --Franz Xaver (talk) 13:40, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
It has always seemed to me that WikiSpecies is intended to be a depository for taxonomic information, rather than biogeographic data. When I started editing some years ago, distribution lists were thought un-necessary and in any case prone to unreliability. I have no problem with those who want to add Categories that link to national faunas or floras, but this is not strictly taxonomy, which is generally blind to political notions of state. Accassidy (talk) 14:39, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


What happened to ZooBank? They have been totally down 24 hours now. Neferkheperre (talk) 16:04, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Back up again. Must have been servicing, but usually they are not down more than 6-8 hours. Neferkheperre (talk) 21:41, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Holotype category[edit]

A couple of months ago, I picked up on the holotype| utility, where repository acronyms can be highlighted to indicate the museums. I like this concept, but I find accessing repository information is not entirely satisfactory. When I click on of the links, I have to wade through entire list, which is at least alphabetized. At times, I cannot locate that particular acronym, even if it is highlighted blue. What is possibility of organizing repository acronyms as we do with Category ISSN? Thus, seekers would click link, and directly find the page with full name of repository institution, location, etc. And, as museums come and go, with collections being transferred, this can be indicated as well. Some repositories subdivide their collections numbers with additional prefixes for vertebrate/invertebrate departments, etc. These can be indicated on repository pages. Neferkheperre (talk) 22:18, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I had the same idea years ago, but I've abandoned it because of the work & time needed, and since so many many pages point to the holotype template. Yet it would be nice if little by little we create pages for individual museums, and link to them. Mariusm (talk) 05:49, 30 July 2014 (UTC)