Talk:Aves

Alternative classification (include fossil orders)

Classis Aves

Subclassis † Saurornithes

Ordo † Archaeopterygiformes

Ordo † Yandangithiformes

Ordo † Confuciusornithiformes

Ordo † Liaoxiornithiformes

Infraclassis † Ornithothoraces

Legio † Ornithurae

Ordo † Chaoyangornithiformes

Cohort † Enantiornithes

Ordo † Aberratiodontuiformes

Superordo † Euenantiornithes

Ordo † Longipterygiformes

Ordo † Eoenantiornithiformes

Ordo † Alexornithiformes

Ordo † Euornithiformes

Cohort † Patagopterygiformes

Ordo † Patagopterygiformes

Cohort † Praeornithurae

Magnordo † Protoaviornithes

Ordo † Protoaviformes

Subclassis indeterminate

Ordo † Omnivoropterygiformes

Subclassis † Odontornithes

Infraclassis † Odontoholcae

Magnordo † Hesperornithes

Ordo † Hesperornithiformes

Infraclassis † Odontotormae

Ordo † Ichthyornithiformes

Subclassis Carinatae

Infraclassis Neornithes

Parvclassis Paleognathae

Ordo † Ambiortiformes

Ordo † Gansuiformes

Ordo † Palaeocursornithiformes

Ordo Casuariiformes

Ordo † Dinornithiformes

Ordo Apterygiformes

Ordo Rheiformes

Ordo † Linornithiformes

Ordo † Aepyornithiformes

Ordo Struthioniformes

Ordo Tinamiformes

Parvclassis Neognathae

Magnordo Galloanserae

Superordo Gallomorphae

Ordo Craciformes

Ordo Galliformes

Superordo Anserimorphae

Ordo Anseriformes

Magnordo Turnicae

Ordo Turniciformes

Magnordo Picae

Ordo Piciformes

Magnordo Coraciae

Ordo † Sandcoleiformes

Superordo Galbulimorphae

Ordo Galbuliformes

Superordo Bucerotimorphae

Ordo Bucerotiformes

Ordo Upupiformes

Superordo Coraciimorphae

Ordo Coraciiformes

Ordo Trogoniformes

Magnordo Coliae

Ordo Coliiformes

Magnordo Passerae

Superordo Cuculimorphae

Ordo Cuculiformes

Superordo Psittacimorphae

Ordo Psittaciformes

Superordo Apodimorphae

Ordo Apodiformes

Ordo Trochiliformes

Superordo Strigimorphae

Ordo Musophagiformes

Ordo Strigiformes

Superordo Passerimorphae

Ordo Columbiformes

Ordo † Diatrymiformes

Ordo Gruiformes

Ordo Ciconiiformes

Ordo Passeriformes

Source : http://www.paleofile.com/Demo/Mainpage/Taxalist/Dinosaurs/Aves.htm

Position of Aves

The page currently lists Aves as a subdivision of Tetrapoda, but that page does not itself list Aves as a subdivision. I would suggest that Aves instead be listed as a subdivision of Amniota, and that page changed to reflect this, but it may be that there is a better level at which to place the birds. Whichever solution is decided on, I think it should at least be possible to reach this page by navigating down the tree, which at present cannot be done. Anaxial 13:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I stand corrected - this can be done from Eumaniraptora. So the other possibility is therefore to link Aves to that page, instead of to Tetrapoda, as at present. I certainly think we ought to do one or the other, for the sake of consistency.Anaxial 13:39, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Synonym of ‘bird’?

It is often said that the scientific name Aves is synonymous with the English term ‘bird’. The English Wikipedia article Bird says so. Also, on the English Wikipedia, Aves redirects to Bird. But this article contradicts that. It says that Aves doesn't only include birds, but also non-avian theropod dinosaurs which, like birds, had feathers, but some of them had teeth and not all had beaks. What is the definition of Aves? It's very confusing, in some Romantic languages the word for ‘bird’ sounds very similar to Aves, and the English word ‘avian’ means ‘relating to birds’. –How come why not (talk) 09:43, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

@How come why not: One must differentiate between synonyms in lexical semantics, and synonyms within the field of taxonomy. The word "bird" might very well be considered a synonym to the word "aves", but in taxonomical terms there is no taxon named "bird" (complete with author name and year of scientific publication) so no, from that perspective "bird" is not (and can not be) a synonym of Aves.

In the same manner Canis domesticus is a synonym of Canis lupus familiaris, but "dog" is not. Similarly, "human" (and "Mensch", "homme", "hombre" etc.) are not taxonomical synonyms of Homo sapiens. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:48, 13 August 2016 (UTC).

@Tommy Kronkvist: By Aves being ‘synonymous’ with ‘bird’, I mean Aves being a (not the; as Neornithes is synonymous with ‘bird’ in that sense), scientific name of ‘bird’. This is the same way ‘passerine’ is synonymous with Passeriformes. —How come why not (talk) 08:24, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

@How come why not: Again, one must differentiate between synonyms in lexical semantics, and synonyms within the field of taxonomy. The English word ‘passerine’ is synonymous with ‘Passeriformes’, but only in terms of lexical semantics. In terms of taxonomy and systematics (i.e. the only fields of importance to Wikispecies) the taxon ‘passerine’ is not synonymous with the taxon Passeriformes Linnaeus, 1758, simply because it is not a taxon in the first place. If it were a taxon it would also have an author, such as Charles Darwin, Carolus Linnaeus, or other. Wikispecies only deals with taxa, the authors of taxa and their publications, and the repositories where type material of taxa are collected. Hence all synonyms (or "words") that are not also a taxon are out of scope of the Wikispecies project, and should not be included. On the other hand Wikipedia is a much broader project, and there it may very well be okay to add them. For differences between Wikispecies and Wikipedia, please see What Wikispecies is not. –Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:46, 1 September 2016 (UTC).

Birds and Aves are not synonyms because Aves are modern birds and there are birds that are not in the crown group Aves Asocos (talk) 02:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Contrary to Aves, the word "bird" isn't a taxon name. Hence from a taxonomical view "Bird" isn't a synonym of anything… –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 14:09, 22 July 2022 (UTC).

Synonym of Neornithes?

Speaking of Neornithes, why does it have a separate page from Aves? I know that Neornithes is synonymous (in the sense I explained before), with the English word ‘bird’, and it redirects there in the English Wikipedia. —How come why not (talk) 08:29, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

@How come why not: Indeed Neornithes is a synonym of Aves. However it is also a valid taxon of its own, as an infraclass of the class Aves. This takes precedence, and is why Neornithes deserves a page of its own. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:46, 1 September 2016 (UTC).

That is true Asocos (talk) 02:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

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